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	<title>Comments on: California&#8217;s Highly Qualified But Not &#8216;Highly Qualified&#8217; Teachers</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/californias_highly_qualified_but_not_highly_qualified_teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-100671</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on my wife&#039;s recent experience is trying to obtain reciprocity in Alabama for her Texas credential, I am not so sure that this is simply a California-specific response to NCLB.

I discuss some of that experience &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=10853&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (in the context of the &lt;i&gt;NYT&lt;/i&gt; piece).

Further, my wife is currently working in a non-teaching capacity at a local elementary school and has gleaned some anecdotal evidence that her experience is not unique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my wife's recent experience is trying to obtain reciprocity in Alabama for her Texas credential, I am not so sure that this is simply a California-specific response to NCLB.</p>
<p>I discuss some of that experience <a href="http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=10853" rel="nofollow">here</a> (in the context of the <i>NYT</i> piece).</p>
<p>Further, my wife is currently working in a non-teaching capacity at a local elementary school and has gleaned some anecdotal evidence that her experience is not unique.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think a simple compromise would be to use exam results to provide waivers. Your classes have had a x% pass rate, you are hereby exempted and deemed certified. Your classes are below x%, then despite three doctorates, a state wide award and a coupon for a free Starbucks given by grateful parents, you are required to take the additional classes.

My understanding is they started giving out the NCLB tests before getting all the kids certified, so surely the results from the first test should be included. And if a certified teacher sees their pass rate fall below x%, perhaps they should go back for further training or be encouraged to look for another job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think a simple compromise would be to use exam results to provide waivers. Your classes have had a x% pass rate, you are hereby exempted and deemed certified. Your classes are below x%, then despite three doctorates, a state wide award and a coupon for a free Starbucks given by grateful parents, you are required to take the additional classes.</p>
<p>My understanding is they started giving out the NCLB tests before getting all the kids certified, so surely the results from the first test should be included. And if a certified teacher sees their pass rate fall below x%, perhaps they should go back for further training or be encouraged to look for another job.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a little more to this story than meets the eye, James.  I don&#039;t know what the requirements have been recently but back in the 1970&#039;s and 1980&#039;s California waived basic requirements for obtaining a teaching certificate to applicants who had degrees in various &#147;interest studies&#148; areas e.g. African American studies, Hispanic studies, women&#039;s studies, and so on.

And in some schools these areas were notoriously easy to graduate with if you had the appropriate, uh, credentials.

The intended reason for California&#039;s policy was laudable:  attract more blacks, Hispanics, etc. into teaching.  It had the unfortunate secondary effect of letting people without basic qualification for teaching in, too.

Could some of these &#147;veteran teachers&#148; have been initially granted their credentials under that rubric?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there's a little more to this story than meets the eye, James.  I don't know what the requirements have been recently but back in the 1970's and 1980's California waived basic requirements for obtaining a teaching certificate to applicants who had degrees in various &#8220;interest studies&#8221; areas e.g. African American studies, Hispanic studies, women's studies, and so on.</p>
<p>And in some schools these areas were notoriously easy to graduate with if you had the appropriate, uh, credentials.</p>
<p>The intended reason for California's policy was laudable:  attract more blacks, Hispanics, etc. into teaching.  It had the unfortunate secondary effect of letting people without basic qualification for teaching in, too.</p>
<p>Could some of these &#8220;veteran teachers&#8221; have been initially granted their credentials under that rubric?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;t about damn time! One of the teachers I had in Jr. High was a prince of a man, someone who everyone would want as an uncle or maybe grandfather because he loved kids so much. But he was one of the worst teachers I ever had. The man couldn&#039;t teach worth spit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I't about damn time! One of the teachers I had in Jr. High was a prince of a man, someone who everyone would want as an uncle or maybe grandfather because he loved kids so much. But he was one of the worst teachers I ever had. The man couldn't teach worth spit.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/californias_highly_qualified_but_not_highly_qualified_teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-100635</link>
		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, results speak loudly.  In California schools the results scream.  If the students are not learning, it must be the teachers.  There must be some standard by which teachers are held accountable for instructing their students or lack thereof.  The idea of having remedial math and English at the college level is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, results speak loudly.  In California schools the results scream.  If the students are not learning, it must be the teachers.  There must be some standard by which teachers are held accountable for instructing their students or lack thereof.  The idea of having remedial math and English at the college level is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Qualified&#8217; Teachers at Miscellaneous Objections</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8216;Qualified&#8217; Teachers at Miscellaneous Objections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some teachers in California are finding out that being &#8220;qualified&#8221; under federal and state law has nothing to do with actually being qualified to teach children. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some teachers in California are finding out that being &#8220;qualified&#8221; under federal and state law has nothing to do with actually being qualified to teach children. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter in high school uses her grandmother notes in one of her classes. The teacher still teaches from the same lesson plan of 40 some years ago. Fortunately he is retiring after this year.

I see no problem with teachers getting refresher courses on how to teach or testing their knowledge of their subject area. I have done it in many of my jobs including the military and IT field. Often the students put in more information than the instructors. 

The teachers need to get off their high horse.  After all isn’t it supposed to be about the children or is the teachers’ ego more important?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter in high school uses her grandmother notes in one of her classes. The teacher still teaches from the same lesson plan of 40 some years ago. Fortunately he is retiring after this year.</p>
<p>I see no problem with teachers getting refresher courses on how to teach or testing their knowledge of their subject area. I have done it in many of my jobs including the military and IT field. Often the students put in more information than the instructors. </p>
<p>The teachers need to get off their high horse.  After all isn&rsquo;t it supposed to be about the children or is the teachers&rsquo; ego more important?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Indeed, one suspects that people on the California Commission on Teacher Credentialing have degrees in Education and actually resent people like Huyck and Whittier for proving that people who actually know their subjects are more effective teachers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Why don&#039;t you give the people on the CCTC credit for knowing what makes a good teacher? They may actually know their subject (what makes a good teacher) better than Huyck and Whittier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Indeed, one suspects that people on the California Commission on Teacher Credentialing have degrees in Education and actually resent people like Huyck and Whittier for proving that people who actually know their subjects are more effective teachers. </p></blockquote>
<p>Why don't you give the people on the CCTC credit for knowing what makes a good teacher? They may actually know their subject (what makes a good teacher) better than Huyck and Whittier.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/californias_highly_qualified_but_not_highly_qualified_teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-100609</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt: This is a California program in response to NCLB.  While NCLB may have its own issues, this isn&#039;t one of them.  It&#039;s the Educrats using a federal law as an excuse to weed out those who didn&#039;t take the College of Education path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt: This is a California program in response to NCLB.  While NCLB may have its own issues, this isn't one of them.  It's the Educrats using a federal law as an excuse to weed out those who didn't take the College of Education path.</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the bushies screwing with competent people once again, like scientists or justice department lawyers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the bushies screwing with competent people once again, like scientists or justice department lawyers....</p>
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		<title>By: Going to the Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Going to the Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;SAT and sent graduates to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Swarthmore and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, among other elite universities.Indeed, it would seem that experience and Ph.D.&#039;s don&#039;t mean anything to educrats.  The funny thing is, as James Joyner points out, the mere possession of a Ph.D. does not mean the person is qualified to teach anything, a track record of results and a Ph.D. should mean something. Having such teachers waste time and moeny on a course far below their competency level is&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->SAT and sent graduates to Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Swarthmore and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, among other elite universities.Indeed, it would seem that experience and Ph.D.'s don't mean anything to educrats.  The funny thing is, as James Joyner points out, the mere possession of a Ph.D. does not mean the person is qualified to teach anything, a track record of results and a Ph.D. should mean something. Having such teachers waste time and moeny on a course far below their competency level is<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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