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		<title>By: Kehaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kehaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading all the challenges, I don&#039;t know if I want to take this on or not! But I feel that I have to make the effort to keep CoTV alive. It may not be as strong or useful as it used to be, but it did help quite a few bloggers &quot;grow up&quot;. Who knows where some of those bloggers would be without the original Carnival? 

I have some hope that CoTV can be saved. I think it&#039;ll have to morph somehow, but hopefully we can keep it going for a little while longer. Thanks for all the help and support you have shown CoTV over the years. It obviously wouldn&#039;t have survived this long without people like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading all the challenges, I don't know if I want to take this on or not! But I feel that I have to make the effort to keep CoTV alive. It may not be as strong or useful as it used to be, but it did help quite a few bloggers "grow up". Who knows where some of those bloggers would be without the original Carnival? </p>
<p>I have some hope that CoTV can be saved. I think it'll have to morph somehow, but hopefully we can keep it going for a little while longer. Thanks for all the help and support you have shown CoTV over the years. It obviously wouldn't have survived this long without people like you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Shape of Days</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Shape of Days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;And good riddance...&lt;/strong&gt;

If a heavily promoted, major landmark in the life of a historic, hugely influential blogospheric institution can’t get links or traffic, then there is no hope for it week to week.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>And good riddance...</strong></p>
<p>If a heavily promoted, major landmark in the life of a historic, hugely influential blogospheric institution can&rsquo;t get links or traffic, then there is no hope for it week to week.......</p>
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		<title>By: Dispatches From Blogblivion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dispatches From Blogblivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;It&apos;s Dead Jim...&lt;/strong&gt;

So. Carnival of the Vanities is finally closing its blogverbial doors. The horse is dead. Long flog the horse. James Joyner picked up the news, leading to a comment by Dean, which led to a post by Dean. James believe carnivals in general are outdated. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>It&apos;s Dead Jim...</strong></p>
<p>So. Carnival of the Vanities is finally closing its blogverbial doors. The horse is dead. Long flog the horse. James Joyner picked up the news, leading to a comment by Dean, which led to a post by Dean. James believe carnivals in general are outdated. ...</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commented over at Dean&#039;s, in response to his post centered on his comment above, and said:

This is the historical significance of Carnival of the Capitalists; spawning the concept of niche carnivals, prompting the common use of &quot;carnival&quot; in the names, establishing the practice of a special e-mail address and a home page for info on the carnival, and firming up the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecotc.com/index.php?id=P5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;definition&lt;/a&gt; of what is a carnival.  It showed that a niche carnival could become significant, even more popular than the original, and ultimately attract a higher level of quality.  

People still use it as an obligatory thing, entering any old post that they can just for the link whorage, but it&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; bad.

The sad thing is that with my hours of work a week, week in and week out for just under three years, about the time I started trying to figure out how to monetize it a little, Blog Carnival came along and monetized all of them for someone who barely had a clue what a carnival was but had a relative who could instapimp the ride for him.  &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; is the way in which carnivals have perhaps jumped the shark.  There&#039;s someone there with a stake and an enabling influence to ensure that an absurd degree of nicheness happens.  Do we really need a carnival of nose picking toddlers, carnival of HP camera foibles, carnival of the literature of spider robinson, and that sort of thing?

I&#039;m not even convinced we need carnivals of marketing, entrepreneurship, finance, stocks and whatnot, all of which are already covered by and usually categorized or not that hard to locate within CotC.  All those are is an exercise in maximum linkurbatory satisfaction.  On the other hand, for people with a specific interest, they don&#039;t have to look as hard for that one topic, and have no idea that a few bloggers are in all those sub-niche carnivals regularly just because they can be.

I tend to think of Blog Carnival as an overtly fantastic idea that was the worst thing ever to happen to the carnival concept, and might have been even done differently or by someone else.

Ultimately, though, CotV was indeed doomed by lack of focus, and by inability to be, essentially, a carnival of quality writing.  Even had it become that overnight, readers and linkers wouldn&#039;t have come back.  CotC becomes the oldest and still most popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented over at Dean's, in response to his post centered on his comment above, and said:</p>
<p>This is the historical significance of Carnival of the Capitalists; spawning the concept of niche carnivals, prompting the common use of "carnival" in the names, establishing the practice of a special e-mail address and a home page for info on the carnival, and firming up the <a href="http://www.thecotc.com/index.php?id=P5" rel="nofollow">definition</a> of what is a carnival.  It showed that a niche carnival could become significant, even more popular than the original, and ultimately attract a higher level of quality.  </p>
<p>People still use it as an obligatory thing, entering any old post that they can just for the link whorage, but it's not <i>that</i> bad.</p>
<p>The sad thing is that with my hours of work a week, week in and week out for just under three years, about the time I started trying to figure out how to monetize it a little, Blog Carnival came along and monetized all of them for someone who barely had a clue what a carnival was but had a relative who could instapimp the ride for him.  <i>That</i> is the way in which carnivals have perhaps jumped the shark.  There's someone there with a stake and an enabling influence to ensure that an absurd degree of nicheness happens.  Do we really need a carnival of nose picking toddlers, carnival of HP camera foibles, carnival of the literature of spider robinson, and that sort of thing?</p>
<p>I'm not even convinced we need carnivals of marketing, entrepreneurship, finance, stocks and whatnot, all of which are already covered by and usually categorized or not that hard to locate within CotC.  All those are is an exercise in maximum linkurbatory satisfaction.  On the other hand, for people with a specific interest, they don't have to look as hard for that one topic, and have no idea that a few bloggers are in all those sub-niche carnivals regularly just because they can be.</p>
<p>I tend to think of Blog Carnival as an overtly fantastic idea that was the worst thing ever to happen to the carnival concept, and might have been even done differently or by someone else.</p>
<p>Ultimately, though, CotV was indeed doomed by lack of focus, and by inability to be, essentially, a carnival of quality writing.  Even had it become that overnight, readers and linkers wouldn't have come back.  CotC becomes the oldest and still most popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival of the Vanities, RIP...&lt;/strong&gt;

James Joyner notes that The Carnival of the Vanities has finally given up the ghost. Dean&#039;s World hosted the Carnival once, on ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Carnival of the Vanities, RIP...</strong></p>
<p>James Joyner notes that The Carnival of the Vanities has finally given up the ghost. Dean's World hosted the Carnival once, on ...</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esmay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Esmay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 03:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think carnivals are outmoded. I think a generic carnival like COTV is outmoded. It was designed for a much tinier blogosphere, when there just weren&#039;t all that many of us.

Many of the specialty carnivals continue to do quite well, and to be a good way of bloggers gaining attention. I&#039;ve picked a few that I link, and they do well. Not that they do well because of me, but the point is, they help people interested in certain specialties--like medicine, home schooling, business, etc. 

The Carnival of the Vanities simply had no clear purpose anymore: &quot;Anyone who wants to can submit anything they want.&quot; No point really. It was like having a magazine called &quot;Magazine&quot; that had random articles every month. Charming for a bit, but ultimately futile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think carnivals are outmoded. I think a generic carnival like COTV is outmoded. It was designed for a much tinier blogosphere, when there just weren't all that many of us.</p>
<p>Many of the specialty carnivals continue to do quite well, and to be a good way of bloggers gaining attention. I've picked a few that I link, and they do well. Not that they do well because of me, but the point is, they help people interested in certain specialties--like medicine, home schooling, business, etc. </p>
<p>The Carnival of the Vanities simply had no clear purpose anymore: "Anyone who wants to can submit anything they want." No point really. It was like having a magazine called "Magazine" that had random articles every month. Charming for a bit, but ultimately futile.</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;, but, to be honest, I didn’t even realize it had reached the four year mark.  James Joyner posted about the end of the COTV and made the point that blog carnivals just aren’t what they used to be. which is why he hasn’t submitted or linked to them lately:  Partly, it’s because OTB grew big enough as not to need them as a traffic gimmick. Especially since, over time, they stopped generating much traffic. Mostly, though, there are just too many blogs and too many blog carnivals out there to bother with&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->, but, to be honest, I didn&rsquo;t even realize it had reached the four year mark.  James Joyner posted about the end of the COTV and made the point that blog carnivals just aren&rsquo;t what they used to be. which is why he hasn&rsquo;t submitted or linked to them lately:  Partly, it&rsquo;s because OTB grew big enough as not to need them as a traffic gimmick. Especially since, over time, they stopped generating much traffic. Mostly, though, there are just too many blogs and too many blog carnivals out there to bother with<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Last One Speaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Last One Speaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;. Longest running carnival on the internets. A remarkable feat in Blogtopia. In blog years that&#039;s sort of like a centennial and an occassion worth noting.    Unfortunately, it looks like I wasn&#039;t the only space case. I see here, that due to the lack of response, they&#039;ve decided to shut the Carnival down. All good things must end I suppose and maybe Blogtopia got too big, or that the carnival got too many entries and hosting became a nightmare rather than a fun way to get some extra hits on eyes on your blog. &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->. Longest running carnival on the internets. A remarkable feat in Blogtopia. In blog years that's sort of like a centennial and an occassion worth noting.    Unfortunately, it looks like I wasn't the only space case. I see here, that due to the lack of response, they've decided to shut the Carnival down. All good things must end I suppose and maybe Blogtopia got too big, or that the carnival got too many entries and hosting became a nightmare rather than a fun way to get some extra hits on eyes on your blog. <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: The Eclectic Chapbook</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Eclectic Chapbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;in the life of a historic, hugely influential blogospheric institution can’t get links or traffic - not to malign those who did come through for us, thanks! - and not even from many people with a stake, then there is no hope for it week to week.     :: Via James Joyner :: &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->in the life of a historic, hugely influential blogospheric institution can&rsquo;t get links or traffic - not to malign those who did come through for us, thanks! - and not even from many people with a stake, then there is no hope for it week to week.     :: Via James Joyner :: <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Tempus Fugit Blog [ Tempus Fugit &#124; TxFx.net ]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tempus Fugit Blog [ Tempus Fugit &#124; TxFx.net ]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;» Dare I Say Brilliant  Dean&#039;s World» Saddam&#039;s Man In Niger  Unclaimed Territory» Arlen Specter is lying about his own bill -- again  BuzzMachine» One Web Day only days away  Outside the Beltway» Carnival of the Vanities, RIP  QandO» Democrats, religion and religious voters  Homeland Stupidity» The CIA’s lame recruiting commercial  ScrappleFace» Senate Mulls Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell Detainee Policy  Binary Bonsai» Serenity Economics&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->» Dare I Say Brilliant  Dean's World» Saddam's Man In Niger  Unclaimed Territory» Arlen Specter is lying about his own bill -- again  BuzzMachine» One Web Day only days away  Outside the Beltway» Carnival of the Vanities, RIP  QandO» Democrats, religion and religious voters  Homeland Stupidity» The CIA&rsquo;s lame recruiting commercial  ScrappleFace» Senate Mulls Don&rsquo;t Ask-Don&rsquo;t Tell Detainee Policy  Binary Bonsai» Serenity Economics<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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