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		<title>By: Bill K</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cbs_news_draft_hoax_/comment-page-1/#comment-24448</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, first you are innately inferring that the CBS story is against Bush just because they are talking about the draft.  You are also putting words into Kerry&#039;s mouth about the draft when he never said Bush was going to reinstate the draft.  So, if we are allowed to make logical leaps in what people said and meant, I think it is safe to say Cheney meant if Kerry is elected more people would die.

That being said, CHENEY DID SAY IT:

&quot;It&#039;s absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we&#039;ll get hit again and we&#039;ll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,&quot;

Was he talking about Nader?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first you are innately inferring that the CBS story is against Bush just because they are talking about the draft.  You are also putting words into Kerry's mouth about the draft when he never said Bush was going to reinstate the draft.  So, if we are allowed to make logical leaps in what people said and meant, I think it is safe to say Cheney meant if Kerry is elected more people would die.</p>
<p>That being said, CHENEY DID SAY IT:</p>
<p>"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States,"</p>
<p>Was he talking about Nader?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cbs_news_draft_hoax_/comment-page-1/#comment-24440</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah... a specific.
&lt;i&gt;Bush and Cheney saying clearly that if Kerry is elected terrorists will kill us.&lt;/i&gt;


Oops... that&#039;s not what they said. They said indecision and poor judgement would kill us, and then pointed at Kerry&#039;s record of same... then allowing the voters to judge the matter in their own minds.
 
Now perhaps we understand better why Demorats tend to shy away from sepcific charges, insted rather giving us the usual vauge nonsense... specifics tend to get knocked over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah... a specific.<br />
<i>Bush and Cheney saying clearly that if Kerry is elected terrorists will kill us.</i></p>
<p>Oops... that's not what they said. They said indecision and poor judgement would kill us, and then pointed at Kerry's record of same... then allowing the voters to judge the matter in their own minds.</p>
<p>Now perhaps we understand better why Demorats tend to shy away from sepcific charges, insted rather giving us the usual vauge nonsense... specifics tend to get knocked over.</p>
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		<title>By: protein wisdom</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cbs_news_draft_hoax_/comment-page-1/#comment-24436</link>
		<dc:creator>protein wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;CBS exposes the materialist flaw in Bakhtinian theoretics (or, &quot;the story was like, totally in the air, you dig...?&quot;)&lt;/strong&gt;
INDC Journal snags a three&#45;part interview with the movers behind CBS News&apos; controversial Draft reinstatement piece, which aired Tuesday evening and was subsequently cited by several commenters as an example of CBS&apos;s penchant for advocacy ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>CBS exposes the materialist flaw in Bakhtinian theoretics (or, &quot;the story was like, totally in the air, you dig...?&quot;)</strong><br />
INDC Journal snags a three&#45;part interview with the movers behind CBS News&apos; controversial Draft reinstatement piece, which aired Tuesday evening and was subsequently cited by several commenters as an example of CBS&apos;s penchant for advocacy ...</p>
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		<title>By: The Media Drop</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cbs_news_draft_hoax_/comment-page-1/#comment-24434</link>
		<dc:creator>The Media Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;CBS transcript *not* altered (updated)&lt;/strong&gt;
Television-Network News</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>CBS transcript *not* altered (updated)</strong><br />
Television-Network News</p>
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		<title>By: Bill K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, &quot;Flip-flop&quot; in and of itself is a Republican talking point, so I don&#039;t think people can say no major network has carried water for the right. 

That isn&#039;t my main contention though.  When did the draft become a Kerry talking point?  All he says is that he won&#039;t reinstate it.  All CBS said was that it was a possible issue.  Correct me if I am wrong, but neither Kerry nor CBS stated that Bush would reinstate the draft.  In fact, CBS explicitly stated Bush&#039;s policy was to not reinstate the draft.

I guess implying that Bush would reinstate the draft by Kerry is the same as Bush and Cheney saying clearly that if Kerry is elected terrorists will kill us.

Don&#039;t get on the high horse when you have been playing dirty the whole time.  It is offensive. (not you James, the Republican party)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, "Flip-flop" in and of itself is a Republican talking point, so I don't think people can say no major network has carried water for the right. </p>
<p>That isn't my main contention though.  When did the draft become a Kerry talking point?  All he says is that he won't reinstate it.  All CBS said was that it was a possible issue.  Correct me if I am wrong, but neither Kerry nor CBS stated that Bush would reinstate the draft.  In fact, CBS explicitly stated Bush's policy was to not reinstate the draft.</p>
<p>I guess implying that Bush would reinstate the draft by Kerry is the same as Bush and Cheney saying clearly that if Kerry is elected terrorists will kill us.</p>
<p>Don't get on the high horse when you have been playing dirty the whole time.  It is offensive. (not you James, the Republican party)</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re not talking about &quot;mainstream media reports over the years... that are GOP talking points&quot;.  We are talking about a deliberate attempt to influence politics by a public information source.  It is borderline election tampering!
 
Everyone knows, perhaps with the exception of the truly disillusioned far-left, that &quot;mainstream media&quot; (a.k.a. network news) has a leftward bias.  

All we hear from the left are complaints about talk radio and Fox news.  (As if conservatives are not entitled to one or two such resources compared to the many, many print and televised sources with leftward bias).

I seem to remember Fox news being the ONLY network to carry the Democratic debates!  I also remember the big three refusing to air an address by the President of the U.S.! Unbelievable!

Even with the great inequity in media, the democratic left continues to lose.  Why?  There is no consensus in the party, and the moderates are allowing the crazies too much slack.  

CBS news probably got the idea that this would be a good idea by watching Michael Moore.  Guess what?  They&#039;re going the way of the Ditsy Chicks.  The American public is smart and informed.  More than 50% aren&#039;t buying this crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We're not talking about "mainstream media reports over the years... that are GOP talking points".  We are talking about a deliberate attempt to influence politics by a public information source.  It is borderline election tampering!</p>
<p>Everyone knows, perhaps with the exception of the truly disillusioned far-left, that "mainstream media" (a.k.a. network news) has a leftward bias.  </p>
<p>All we hear from the left are complaints about talk radio and Fox news.  (As if conservatives are not entitled to one or two such resources compared to the many, many print and televised sources with leftward bias).</p>
<p>I seem to remember Fox news being the ONLY network to carry the Democratic debates!  I also remember the big three refusing to air an address by the President of the U.S.! Unbelievable!</p>
<p>Even with the great inequity in media, the democratic left continues to lose.  Why?  There is no consensus in the party, and the moderates are allowing the crazies too much slack.  </p>
<p>CBS news probably got the idea that this would be a good idea by watching Michael Moore.  Guess what?  They're going the way of the Ditsy Chicks.  The American public is smart and informed.  More than 50% aren't buying this crap.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion,

One suspects that story will get picked up if it happens.  Which specific cases are you referring to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion,</p>
<p>One suspects that story will get picked up if it happens.  Which specific cases are you referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: A Stitch in Haste</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cbs_news_draft_hoax_/comment-page-1/#comment-24429</link>
		<dc:creator>A Stitch in Haste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On Rumors and the &quot;Moral Superiority&quot; of the Press&lt;/strong&gt;
INDCJournal has a post on CBS&#039; coverage of the draft hoax. Funny, on Wall Street, making trading recommendations on the basis of rumors can get you into big trouble...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On Rumors and the "Moral Superiority" of the Press</strong><br />
INDCJournal has a post on CBS' coverage of the draft hoax. Funny, on Wall Street, making trading recommendations on the basis of rumors can get you into big trouble...</p>
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		<title>By: BigFire</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cbs_news_draft_hoax_/comment-page-1/#comment-24426</link>
		<dc:creator>BigFire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, CBS News should do a story about the danger of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dhmo.org/&quot;&gt;DHMO&lt;/a&gt;.  Recently over 3000 people in Haiti were killed by this substance, and thousands and thousands more each year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, CBS News should do a story about the danger of <a href="http://www.dhmo.org/">DHMO</a>.  Recently over 3000 people in Haiti were killed by this substance, and thousands and thousands more each year.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be interested in seeing some proof of that.
See, t&#039;s kinda funny; I keep hearing this kind talk from Democrats... invariably when htey&#039;re getting the snot beat out of them... but I&#039;ve never seen anything solid to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd be interested in seeing some proof of that.<br />
See, t's kinda funny; I keep hearing this kind talk from Democrats... invariably when htey're getting the snot beat out of them... but I've never seen anything solid to back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when are we going to see a report on all the mainstream media reports over the last couple of years that have been verbatim GOP talking points, based on hoax e-mails and &#039;astroturf&#039; campaigns? 

If it&#039;s bad when one side does it, it&#039;s bad when the other side does it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when are we going to see a report on all the mainstream media reports over the last couple of years that have been verbatim GOP talking points, based on hoax e-mails and 'astroturf' campaigns? </p>
<p>If it's bad when one side does it, it's bad when the other side does it too.</p>
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