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	<title>Comments on: Ceci Connolly:  100 Prisoners Murdered By U.S. Military</title>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/ceci_connolly_100_prisoners_murdered_by_us_military_/comment-page-1/#comment-48178</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, anyone who tortures prisoners is an SOB.
However, the broad brush with which you paint fails to address several things:  

First, what is torture?  Being made to stay awake? Answering difficult questions? Being detained? I am firm in the belief that getting information from these terrorists is vital to national security.  The use of drugs, sleep deprivation, mind-games, etc.- anything short of physical abuse, is fair game to get that information.  

Second, the vast majority of prisoners are treated with dignity and respect.  They are well fed, allowed access to religious materials, exercise, etc.  Statistically, the acts of torture are a non-event.  You can expect to see greater numbers of prisoners abused right here in the U.S.  Detained U.S. citizens, abused by U.S. prison guards.  

Lastly, the reason you are hearing these news stories, is that the military polices itself, and the system is working.  If we were hell bent on torturing people, you woudn&#039;t be hearing about it.  Many, many people would simply disappear. The terrorists would not be complaining about their Koran in the toilet.  They would be dying a slow agonizing death.

So lets cut all the crap about comparisons to Hitler and Saddam Hussein.  Nothing of the sort is happening.  Perhaps our citizens do not realize the horror- what torture is really all about.  When I had the opportunity to look into a mass grave, I was convinced. 

I am grateful for your father&#039;s service to his country.  That does not in any way justify fanning the flames of this conflict.  Those who are against this President and against this war, will say and do anything to discredit it.  Even at the cost of our success and reputation.  Be glad soldiers are being punished.  Be glad you are hearing about this in the news.  It may not be a popular news story, but the U.S. is supporting many great humanitarian efforts in the world.

What &quot;inside information&quot; could you possibly have to doubt that more than three prisoners were murdered at GITMO?  Or was that just an assumption based on the ten o&#039;cock news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, anyone who tortures prisoners is an SOB.<br />
However, the broad brush with which you paint fails to address several things:  </p>
<p>First, what is torture?  Being made to stay awake? Answering difficult questions? Being detained? I am firm in the belief that getting information from these terrorists is vital to national security.  The use of drugs, sleep deprivation, mind-games, etc.- anything short of physical abuse, is fair game to get that information.  </p>
<p>Second, the vast majority of prisoners are treated with dignity and respect.  They are well fed, allowed access to religious materials, exercise, etc.  Statistically, the acts of torture are a non-event.  You can expect to see greater numbers of prisoners abused right here in the U.S.  Detained U.S. citizens, abused by U.S. prison guards.  </p>
<p>Lastly, the reason you are hearing these news stories, is that the military polices itself, and the system is working.  If we were hell bent on torturing people, you woudn't be hearing about it.  Many, many people would simply disappear. The terrorists would not be complaining about their Koran in the toilet.  They would be dying a slow agonizing death.</p>
<p>So lets cut all the crap about comparisons to Hitler and Saddam Hussein.  Nothing of the sort is happening.  Perhaps our citizens do not realize the horror- what torture is really all about.  When I had the opportunity to look into a mass grave, I was convinced. </p>
<p>I am grateful for your father's service to his country.  That does not in any way justify fanning the flames of this conflict.  Those who are against this President and against this war, will say and do anything to discredit it.  Even at the cost of our success and reputation.  Be glad soldiers are being punished.  Be glad you are hearing about this in the news.  It may not be a popular news story, but the U.S. is supporting many great humanitarian efforts in the world.</p>
<p>What "inside information" could you possibly have to doubt that more than three prisoners were murdered at GITMO?  Or was that just an assumption based on the ten o'cock news?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD, as I seem to recall mentioning, my dad served with distinction in Korea &amp; Vietnam.  If my factoid is correct, 1 in 12 helicopter pilots didn&#039;t come home from Vietnam, so I&#039;m lucky to have had a dad in the first place.  I have great respect for the U.S. Army and our other armed forces.

The U.S. Army does not condone torture.  First, what does this mean?  Cf. &lt;a href=&quot;http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2005/06/so-youre-being-tortured-to-death-in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Fafblog satire&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;Q: Help! I&#039;m being tortured to death in an American military prison! What should I do?
A: First of all, you should get your facts straight. You&#039;re not being tortured to death in an American military prison; you&#039;re being &lt;i&gt;interrogated&lt;/i&gt; to death in an American &lt;i&gt;detainment facility&lt;/i&gt;. America does not tolerate torture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Whether &quot;condoned&quot; or not, torture is happening, and U.S. soldiers are performing some of it.

I happen to be partial to the belief, supported by some reports (but all is hazy given the secrecy involved) that CIA interrogators are the main culprits and that many soldiers implicated in these abuses were acting under their direction.  Not a 100% exculpation, but it would make some of these horrors more understandable.

Anyway, the ones dragging troops through the mud are the ones (1) committing these terrible acts and (2) failing to work genuinely &amp; strenuously to prevent their occurrence.

Instead of waxing apoplectic, why not just agree that anyone, in the Army or out, who tortures prisoners is an S.O.B. who deserves to be punished?  Unless you disagree with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD, as I seem to recall mentioning, my dad served with distinction in Korea &amp; Vietnam.  If my factoid is correct, 1 in 12 helicopter pilots didn't come home from Vietnam, so I'm lucky to have had a dad in the first place.  I have great respect for the U.S. Army and our other armed forces.</p>
<p>The U.S. Army does not condone torture.  First, what does this mean?  Cf. <a href="http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2005/06/so-youre-being-tortured-to-death-in.html" rel="nofollow">the Fafblog satire</a>:<br />
<blockquote>Q: Help! I'm being tortured to death in an American military prison! What should I do?<br />
A: First of all, you should get your facts straight. You're not being tortured to death in an American military prison; you're being <i>interrogated</i> to death in an American <i>detainment facility</i>. America does not tolerate torture.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether "condoned" or not, torture is happening, and U.S. soldiers are performing some of it.</p>
<p>I happen to be partial to the belief, supported by some reports (but all is hazy given the secrecy involved) that CIA interrogators are the main culprits and that many soldiers implicated in these abuses were acting under their direction.  Not a 100% exculpation, but it would make some of these horrors more understandable.</p>
<p>Anyway, the ones dragging troops through the mud are the ones (1) committing these terrible acts and (2) failing to work genuinely &amp; strenuously to prevent their occurrence.</p>
<p>Instead of waxing apoplectic, why not just agree that anyone, in the Army or out, who tortures prisoners is an S.O.B. who deserves to be punished?  Unless you disagree with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/ceci_connolly_100_prisoners_murdered_by_us_military_/comment-page-1/#comment-48108</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresh Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Malkin Goes Midieval&lt;/strong&gt;

From warring to wedding, the 1800s were a time when you would have to &#039;formally declare&#039; your intentions. It seems that Michelle Malkin liked it better that way.

You see, Washington Post reporter and Fox News contributor Ceci Connolly spun a littl...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Malkin Goes Midieval</strong></p>
<p>From warring to wedding, the 1800s were a time when you would have to 'formally declare' your intentions. It seems that Michelle Malkin liked it better that way.</p>
<p>You see, Washington Post reporter and Fox News contributor Ceci Connolly spun a littl...</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:

The following statement requires an extraordinary amount of self-control to prevent me from typing the numerous profanities that come to mind....

The U.S. Military does not condone torturing people to death.  Why don&#039;t you get off it already.  If you don&#039;t like the President, say so.  If you don&#039;t think the U.S. should have any military, say so.  If you feel Al Qaeda and similar terror groups should be free to kill whoever they want, say so. 

But for God&#039;s sake, stop dragging our troops through the mud. It just makes you seem like a jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:</p>
<p>The following statement requires an extraordinary amount of self-control to prevent me from typing the numerous profanities that come to mind....</p>
<p>The U.S. Military does not condone torturing people to death.  Why don't you get off it already.  If you don't like the President, say so.  If you don't think the U.S. should have any military, say so.  If you feel Al Qaeda and similar terror groups should be free to kill whoever they want, say so. </p>
<p>But for God's sake, stop dragging our troops through the mud. It just makes you seem like a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Malkin&#039;s additional info is helpful but am I the only who sees that her numbers don&#039;t add up to &quot;...nearly 100 prisoners...&quot;. 29 + 18 + 23 only adds up to 70. Is there a typo in the numbers or are there another 30 to be accounted for here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Malkin's additional info is helpful but am I the only who sees that her numbers don't add up to "...nearly 100 prisoners...". 29 + 18 + 23 only adds up to 70. Is there a typo in the numbers or are there another 30 to be accounted for here?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 is as ridiculously small as 100 too large.  Apparently, when we torture someone to death, it&#039;s not murder.  &quot;Doing that to someone could cause death?  I had no idea!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 is as ridiculously small as 100 too large.  Apparently, when we torture someone to death, it's not murder.  "Doing that to someone could cause death?  I had no idea!"</p>
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		<title>By: Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t that be &quot;a factor of ~7&quot; (exponents)? Or just 1/33. Either way, just more nonsense &quot;supported&quot; by numbers pulled out of thin air.

Which is unfortunate since, if they weren&#039;t always shining everyone on trying to make the military out as barbarians with bogus &quot;data&quot;, they might occasionally provide some useful correctives to bad practices. Instead they just embarass themselves. And perpetuate myths that only the left-wingnuts believe (which, once heard, no amount of debunking can dislodge). Useful to identify those who need not be taken seriously, but counter-productive to what purports to be their goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn't that be "a factor of ~7" (exponents)? Or just 1/33. Either way, just more nonsense "supported" by numbers pulled out of thin air.</p>
<p>Which is unfortunate since, if they weren't always shining everyone on trying to make the military out as barbarians with bogus "data", they might occasionally provide some useful correctives to bad practices. Instead they just embarass themselves. And perpetuate myths that only the left-wingnuts believe (which, once heard, no amount of debunking can dislodge). Useful to identify those who need not be taken seriously, but counter-productive to what purports to be their goal.</p>
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