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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that Anjin San And Ken have a thing to worry about with NK having WMD and a means to deliver them.

A NK Nuke could hit either of them square on the head and it would not knock any sense into their thick Liberal skulls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think that Anjin San And Ken have a thing to worry about with NK having WMD and a means to deliver them.</p>
<p>A NK Nuke could hit either of them square on the head and it would not knock any sense into their thick Liberal skulls.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;US weapons use binary technology, a difficult technology that Iraq never mastered.&quot;

This will be of considerable surprise to the troops that found a Binary Sarin shell being used as an IED back in 2004.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html

Also, during the Sanctions period inspectors found and destroyed a fair number of Binary warheads for Iraqi SCUD-variants.

Never &quot;mastered&quot;?  Maybe not.  They certainly used it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"US weapons use binary technology, a difficult technology that Iraq never mastered."</p>
<p>This will be of considerable surprise to the troops that found a Binary Sarin shell being used as an IED back in 2004.<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html</a></p>
<p>Also, during the Sanctions period inspectors found and destroyed a fair number of Binary warheads for Iraqi SCUD-variants.</p>
<p>Never "mastered"?  Maybe not.  They certainly used it, though.</p>
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		<title>By: reverse_vampyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>reverse_vampyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;There are no WMDs... in Liberal fantasyland...&lt;/strong&gt;

Over and over, we keep finding proof that Saddam DID still have weapons of mass destruction (the new declassified fax is here), he DID have ties to al Qaeda, and Bush&#039;s policy in Iraq is winning, not losing. It seems that the Left, for all its claims....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>There are no WMDs... in Liberal fantasyland...</strong></p>
<p>Over and over, we keep finding proof that Saddam DID still have weapons of mass destruction (the new declassified fax is here), he DID have ties to al Qaeda, and Bush's policy in Iraq is winning, not losing. It seems that the Left, for all its claims....</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a non-story.

First off, the document itself is from the National Guard Intelligence Center (NGIC), not the Iraq Survey Group (ISG).  Curiously, it claims to be an overview of chemical munitions recovered in Iraq &lt;b&gt;since May 2004&lt;/b&gt;, and the very first key point mentions a total of munitions found &lt;b&gt;since 2003&lt;/b&gt;.

Now why is this important?  Because the ISG, who was tasked with the search for WMDs in Iraq, finished their investigation in Sept 2004.  In their final report they stated, among other things, that &quot;Iraq had no deployable WMD of any kind as of March 2003&quot;, and added an in March 2005 that &quot;any remaining chemical munitions in Iraq do not pose a militarily significant threat ... ISG has not found evidence to indicate that Iraq did not destroy its BW weapons or bulk agents&quot;.  Which contradicts directly your statement that any of this &quot;undermine claims from the anti-war fringe that Iraq had declared and destroyed its stocks of non-conventional weaponry&quot;. (&lt;a href=&#039;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group#Duelfer_Report&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;)

It is not being claimed that the NGIC report contained new findings, or any information not stated in the ISG report.  If we had actually found evidence supporting pre-war intelligence, why wasn&#039;t it one of the intelligence agencies reporting it? It seems this document is nothing more than select information from the ISG report, being spun for the political gain of a top GOP congressman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a non-story.</p>
<p>First off, the document itself is from the National Guard Intelligence Center (NGIC), not the Iraq Survey Group (ISG).  Curiously, it claims to be an overview of chemical munitions recovered in Iraq <b>since May 2004</b>, and the very first key point mentions a total of munitions found <b>since 2003</b>.</p>
<p>Now why is this important?  Because the ISG, who was tasked with the search for WMDs in Iraq, finished their investigation in Sept 2004.  In their final report they stated, among other things, that "Iraq had no deployable WMD of any kind as of March 2003", and added an in March 2005 that "any remaining chemical munitions in Iraq do not pose a militarily significant threat ... ISG has not found evidence to indicate that Iraq did not destroy its BW weapons or bulk agents".  Which contradicts directly your statement that any of this "undermine claims from the anti-war fringe that Iraq had declared and destroyed its stocks of non-conventional weaponry". (<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group#Duelfer_Report' rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>)</p>
<p>It is not being claimed that the NGIC report contained new findings, or any information not stated in the ISG report.  If we had actually found evidence supporting pre-war intelligence, why wasn't it one of the intelligence agencies reporting it? It seems this document is nothing more than select information from the ISG report, being spun for the political gain of a top GOP congressman.</p>
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		<title>By: HerbEly</title>
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		<dc:creator>HerbEly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Those 500 Chemical Munitions: the Unasked Question...&lt;/strong&gt;

When U.S. troops discovered a Mig-25 fighter aircraft buried in the Iraqi sand, no one argued that it proved that Iraq’s forces were trained and ready to fight in 2002. (Go here for photo and story.) An Air Force can...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Those 500 Chemical Munitions: the Unasked Question...</strong></p>
<p>When U.S. troops discovered a Mig-25 fighter aircraft buried in the Iraqi sand, no one argued that it proved that Iraq&rsquo;s forces were trained and ready to fight in 2002. (Go here for photo and story.) An Air Force can...</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also a vast difference between chemical weapons that are &#039;dangerous&#039; and those that are still &#039;militarily useful&#039;. One can be used to kill troops on the battlefield. The other can be used to cause cancer in people 10 years after they&#039;re exposed. Guess which kind this &#039;news flash&#039; refers to. If Saddam was lying to the UN about his chems, then Bush&#039;s own hand-picked ISG has been lying to Bush, haven&#039;t they?

Another point I&#039;ve seen made is that this announcement was fronted by exactly two people: Hoekstra, the chairman of the House Intel Committee (which makes some sense), and Santorum, who&#039;s a big wheel in the GOP conference structure. While hardly conclusive, this should be a red flag to anyone who&#039;s watched this administration work over the last few years that this is nothing more than yet another partisan spin attempt. These peopel literally have no morals whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a vast difference between chemical weapons that are 'dangerous' and those that are still 'militarily useful'. One can be used to kill troops on the battlefield. The other can be used to cause cancer in people 10 years after they're exposed. Guess which kind this 'news flash' refers to. If Saddam was lying to the UN about his chems, then Bush's own hand-picked ISG has been lying to Bush, haven't they?</p>
<p>Another point I've seen made is that this announcement was fronted by exactly two people: Hoekstra, the chairman of the House Intel Committee (which makes some sense), and Santorum, who's a big wheel in the GOP conference structure. While hardly conclusive, this should be a red flag to anyone who's watched this administration work over the last few years that this is nothing more than yet another partisan spin attempt. These peopel literally have no morals whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon j</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the Duelfer report (from 2005) on this:

&quot;ISG assesses that Iraq and Coalition Forces will
continue to discover small numbers of degraded
chemical weapons, which the former Regime mislaid
or improperly destroyed prior to 1991. ISG believes
the bulk of these weapons were likely abandoned,
forgotten and lost during the Iran-Iraq war because
tens of thousands of CW munitions were forward
deployed along frequently and rapidly shifting battlefronts.
â�¢ All but two of the chemical weapons discovered
since OIF were found in southern Iraq where the
majority of CW munitions were used against Iran in
the Iran-Iraq war.&quot;

Enough said ? Its possible that the report Santorum mentions refers to a new primed cache, actively used and referred to in documents, that was found after the ISG left. However, the Washington Post today points out

&quot;The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988
The U.S. military announced in 2004 in Iraq that several crates of the old shells had been uncovered and that they contained a blister agent that was no longer active. Neither the military nor the White House nor the CIA considered the shells to be evidence of what was alleged by the Bush administration to be a current Iraqi program to make chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.&quot;

So this looks to be the same as those same shells found in 2004. Mustard gas is a blister agent. 

Ask yourself this -- if these were evidence of a real, active cache, why on Earth would the administration leave it to these 2 clowns to publish 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the Duelfer report (from 2005) on this:</p>
<p>"ISG assesses that Iraq and Coalition Forces will<br />
continue to discover small numbers of degraded<br />
chemical weapons, which the former Regime mislaid<br />
or improperly destroyed prior to 1991. ISG believes<br />
the bulk of these weapons were likely abandoned,<br />
forgotten and lost during the Iran-Iraq war because<br />
tens of thousands of CW munitions were forward<br />
deployed along frequently and rapidly shifting battlefronts.<br />
â�¢ All but two of the chemical weapons discovered<br />
since OIF were found in southern Iraq where the<br />
majority of CW munitions were used against Iran in<br />
the Iran-Iraq war."</p>
<p>Enough said ? Its possible that the report Santorum mentions refers to a new primed cache, actively used and referred to in documents, that was found after the ISG left. However, the Washington Post today points out</p>
<p>"The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988<br />
The U.S. military announced in 2004 in Iraq that several crates of the old shells had been uncovered and that they contained a blister agent that was no longer active. Neither the military nor the White House nor the CIA considered the shells to be evidence of what was alleged by the Bush administration to be a current Iraqi program to make chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."</p>
<p>So this looks to be the same as those same shells found in 2004. Mustard gas is a blister agent. </p>
<p>Ask yourself this -- if these were evidence of a real, active cache, why on Earth would the administration leave it to these 2 clowns to publish<br />
?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon j</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US chemical weapons are indeed much more sophisticated than Iraqi chemical weapons. Why should that surprise anyone ? US weapons use binary technology, a difficult technology that Iraq never mastered. 

&lt;i&gt;
Anjin, why donâ��t we test the effectiveness of that old WMD on you? I
&lt;/i&gt;

Not Anjin, but the appropriate answer is --- sure,  but first please produce $1Billion per shell (the cost of $500B/500).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US chemical weapons are indeed much more sophisticated than Iraqi chemical weapons. Why should that surprise anyone ? US weapons use binary technology, a difficult technology that Iraq never mastered. </p>
<p><i><br />
Anjin, why donâ��t we test the effectiveness of that old WMD on you? I<br />
</i></p>
<p>Not Anjin, but the appropriate answer is --- sure,  but first please produce $1Billion per shell (the cost of $500B/500).</p>
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		<title>By: Super Fun Power Hour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Super Fun Power Hour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;WMD found...&lt;/strong&gt;

See allah&#039;s round up, more in am. This is huge. The Document is here. Here is video of Santorum on H/C. More from Cap&#039;t Ed, Pattertico, OTB, ABP.

So, we know that Saddam worked with the Taliban, had an operational association with OBL, trained and...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>WMD found...</strong></p>
<p>See allah's round up, more in am. This is huge. The Document is here. Here is video of Santorum on H/C. More from Cap't Ed, Pattertico, OTB, ABP.</p>
<p>So, we know that Saddam worked with the Taliban, had an operational association with OBL, trained and...</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Carlton -- alias "Jack Lewis"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Carlton -- alias "Jack Lewis"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Even more MWD found in Iraq...&lt;/strong&gt;

From FoxNews... &quot;We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons,&quot; Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Even more MWD found in Iraq...</strong></p>
<p>From FoxNews... &quot;We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons,&quot; Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a......</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anjin, why don&#039;t we test the effectiveness of that old WMD on you?  I know you would volunteer to be present when the old gas was released.  I would prove your point.  Question, did you feel better when the war criminals Clinton went after in Kosovo were locked up?  Saddam would have put you in the shredder feet first.  Video at 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anjin, why don't we test the effectiveness of that old WMD on you?  I know you would volunteer to be present when the old gas was released.  I would prove your point.  Question, did you feel better when the war criminals Clinton went after in Kosovo were locked up?  Saddam would have put you in the shredder feet first.  Video at 11.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, while Bush persues phantoms in Iraq, N Korea has real WMD and almost has the means to hit us with them. Boy am I sleeping better with Saddam locked up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, while Bush persues phantoms in Iraq, N Korea has real WMD and almost has the means to hit us with them. Boy am I sleeping better with Saddam locked up...</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great news is that these old weapons from about 1990 are so old they are degraded and of no use and no hazard. I guess this means that the US Chemical Weapons awaiting destruction that are at least a decade older than the Iraqi weapons are of no use and no hazard. The folks near the elimination sites in Umitilla, OR; Pine Ridge, AR; Toole, UT... have absolutely no basis for their concerns.

Then again, Americans are so much smarter than foreigners, so our much older weapons are still better.

Yes, I&#039;m being sarcastic above. I just saw a talking head on TV spouting nonsense about the &quot;old&quot; weapons being unusable after 10 years (1991-2002), and seeing racism that even older American weapons are inherently longer lasting. These weapons are bad news, period.

All that being said, there is still much that is not know about this, and other reports. We&#039;ve seen too many reports, such as this http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/08/suspected_chemical_weapons_plant_uncovered_in_mosul/

However, this does show that Iraq (Saddam) was lying to the UN Inspectors and defying UN Resolutions - he did not destroy all Chemical Weapons. Perhaps he was so incompetent that he didn&#039;t know how many he had, but I wouldn&#039;t count on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great news is that these old weapons from about 1990 are so old they are degraded and of no use and no hazard. I guess this means that the US Chemical Weapons awaiting destruction that are at least a decade older than the Iraqi weapons are of no use and no hazard. The folks near the elimination sites in Umitilla, OR; Pine Ridge, AR; Toole, UT... have absolutely no basis for their concerns.</p>
<p>Then again, Americans are so much smarter than foreigners, so our much older weapons are still better.</p>
<p>Yes, I'm being sarcastic above. I just saw a talking head on TV spouting nonsense about the "old" weapons being unusable after 10 years (1991-2002), and seeing racism that even older American weapons are inherently longer lasting. These weapons are bad news, period.</p>
<p>All that being said, there is still much that is not know about this, and other reports. We've seen too many reports, such as this <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/08/suspected_chemical_weapons_plant_uncovered_in_mosul/" rel="nofollow">http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/08/suspected_chemical_weapons_plant_uncovered_in_mosul/</a></p>
<p>However, this does show that Iraq (Saddam) was lying to the UN Inspectors and defying UN Resolutions - he did not destroy all Chemical Weapons. Perhaps he was so incompetent that he didn't know how many he had, but I wouldn't count on that.</p>
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		<title>By: jwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These would be the &quot;WMDs&quot; (haha) described as: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible Indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These would be the "WMDs" (haha) described as: </p>
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While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible Indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter ...</p></blockquote>
<p>right?</p>
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		<title>By: Senator Rick Santorum: WMD Found in Iraq--Blogs of War</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senator Rick Santorum: WMD Found in Iraq--Blogs of War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Lawrence at Outside the Beltway finds this news kind of troubling: Perhaps more disturbing is that Iraq’s weapons stocks remain largely unaccounted for. As Alex Knapp has noted repeatedly, and the administration documents seem to reinforce, there is strong evidence that terrorist groups in and around Iraq have been seeking chemical and biological weapons; we can only hope the ISG has been more diligent in finding these munitions than al-Qaida or the Sunni insurgents. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Lawrence at Outside the Beltway finds this news kind of troubling: Perhaps more disturbing is that Iraq&rsquo;s weapons stocks remain largely unaccounted for. As Alex Knapp has noted repeatedly, and the administration documents seem to reinforce, there is strong evidence that terrorist groups in and around Iraq have been seeking chemical and biological weapons; we can only hope the ISG has been more diligent in finding these munitions than al-Qaida or the Sunni insurgents. [...]</p>
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