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Sounds like your rear end is talking, because your mouth knows better.

I don't know where in the US you live, but if you stated things like this in the midwest, they would run you out of town, tared and feathered.

It needs to be countered with arguments and facts not claiming every one who wants this is a demented leftist.

Fallows does a pretty good job of debunking Cheney's position. One point he makes is that the administration and it's supporters can't even grasp that many serious observers including those with a military and intelligence background think the Iraqi effort has hindered our ability to fight terror. The mind set is such that Iraq equal war on terror and any other opinion is appeasement.

I would remark that by settling for rhetoric and not focusing on problems we now accept a deal we could have got with N. Korea years ago before they'd probably built bombs and set aside more material. Focus on the big event kept us from dealing with the really big nut.

Similarly our deployment in Iraq weakens us against Iran because their allied militias stand on our supply lines and in other crucial places.

There is a long list of administration efforts to avoid unwelcome analysis and facts. Fallows Blind Into Baghdad marks the beginning:

http://www.epic-usa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=185

The intelligence distortion is just one aspect of this. The problem is that the testimony of Colonel Wilkerson and so many others does indicate a pattern.

The story of curveball and the mobile weapons lab is one more example:

I do not know where full and partial blame and all the rest falls on this, but Cheney's position is that we must not explore facts that might embarass the administration, that everyone did a heck of a good job and deserves a freedom menu.

Since I happen to believe that we face real threats I disagree. And I could care less about nutty leftists. What I do note is that the administrations defenders always shift the debate over to them and pretend that such things as the long line of retired generals from A to Zinni which have questioned don't exist. The right has preferred to set up this debate as decent people versus Jane Fonda and thus avoid the issues.

It is getting tiresome. And if one used the standards of the right we would call it treason.

I couldn't said it better. You hit the nail right on the head. It is not up to you, I or BWE to say where, when or why one has to perform his duty and obligation for his country by serving in the Armed Forces. The only thing a solder has to figure out is "How to do his best" in the service. The Sheehans and Moores in this country should be deported to be with those terrorists they adore so much. One thing for sure is that those who desecrate our country and troops do not deserve to be called Americans.

"SOme were coerced, some joined because they were lied to about 9-11" Oh really, who? Link please.

"My uncle was conscripted to fight for a corrupt regime that was more concerned with global domination than keeping its citizens alive" We are talking about the U.S. Army, right? Says a lot about YOUR politics.

"Afganistan-they attacked us- I’d go." They did? I though it was planeloads of Saudis?

"...there are a lot of things worth dying for, foreign wars aint one of them"
"they attacked us- I’d go... ...But not for this administration..."
Should I stay or should I go now.... Sounds like you don't know what you believe. Stop listening to Sheehan and Moore and you might figure it out.

Let me add, your uncle was not a hero for fighting in Southeast Asia, he was a hero for answering his country's call, for contributing to something larger than himself. His actions and those of men and women like him, have secured your right to post stupid comments on blogs.

Like he so eloquently said, there are a lot of things worth dying for, foreign wars aint one of them. He and tens of thousands more like him would never have gone if the hadn't been forced to their death by American politicians.

Now I would fight and die for a lot of things. Afganistan-they attacked us- I'd go. Not happily, but I'd go. But not for this administration. How much does Halliburton make off this war? Tax cuts and increased war spending? Yee haw pardner, we can straight up steal 80 billion dollars by making Americans borrow it and spending it at our companies. Finders Keepers, losers weep while you figure out a way to pay it back.

It's true that we can't let people run around blowing us up. That's what police are for. My uncle would have puked if he knew someone would've called him a hero for being in vietnam.

Does you comment mean that you were and remain a ChickenS*** that is happy to let someone else do your fighting for you?

Sounds like your Uncle was a Hero and died doing his job while saving others. To bad you will never be as good as he having chosen instead to let others fight and die while you stay at home and sleep in you warm comfy bed and make remarks that are degrading to those who choose to fight and die so that someone doesn't plant a bomb at your house or the place you work. Like I stated before, guys like you make me sick with your ranting and raving against the fight against terrorism, Your self rightous, self serving and selfish attitude would make your Uncle proud that you have chosen the easy way out by degrading the country and its troops that protect your A**, Now you go F yourself.

Our troops joined the military. SOme were coerced, some joined because they were lied to about 9-11 some did it because that was the only way to go to college, some did it because they thought it would be pretty cool to just kill someone. But, my uncle, he was drafted. He wrote me a letter from viet nam when I was 9. He told me that war is about money and selling weapons and oil. He said that there are plenty of things worth dying for but political ambition isn't one of them. He made me promise my mom that unless we were being invaded by an army, I would never join the military. He was my mom's twin. His group stayed behind to keep the VC at bay while a bunch of wounded were carried to safety. He was thirty. Go f*ck yourself.

So you solution is an Iraq brand of "Vietnaminazation" plus a lot of vaguely focused anger at the right's new all purpose bogyman "the MSM".

K, well, Bush has I so throughly screwed in Iraq, that I don't pretend to have a solution. I am left wishing that GW had possessed a portion of the wisdom that his father showed by not getting us in too deep in Iraq.

It might have been nice too if he had stayed focused on our real enemy, Bin Laden (still at large), and finished the job in Afghanistan. Now Afghanistan is the world's leading opium producer and our rebuilding effort there is riddled with corruption and incompetence.

insurgent incidents have increased from about 150 per week to over 700 in the last year. Instead of attacks going down over time and with the addition of more troops, attacks have grown dramatically. Since the revelations at Abu Ghraib, American causalities have doubled. An annual State Department report in 2004 indicated a sharp increase in global terrorism.

Or do we just keep poking ourselves in the head with a sharp stick?

2.) This country is in deep. My only guess is that a life of excess has lead some to lose any ties to reality. Perhaps a rude awakening is in order. This two party system has been crap in/ crap out for way too long, and only getting worse. We all knew congress couldnt get anything positive done, now the voters can't. The answer doesn't lie on either side of the aisle but no one gets it. I'm all for firing most of our Reps and starting over. Campaign finance reform is a great idea, but so far, just window dressing.

Cheney again said that "withdrawal would be a victory for terrorists" and an "invitation to further violence." "It is a dangerous illusion that another retreat by the civilized world would satisfy the appetite of terrorists .. We will not retreat in the face of adversity."

Does anyone believe anything that Cheney says anymore?

Besides Bush he was the person most responsible for deceiving the American people into supporting the war on Iraq.

Now that the lies are apparent to everyone the American people no longer support the war. It is time to cut our losses and get out. Bush, Cheney and others who claim it would be too dangerous to get out now are just full of shit.

Three years after we pull out no one will understand what all this nonsense was even about.

Bush43 screwed the pooch. Overlayed on that is all kinds of childish political positioning. Congress and the Administration have not been acting any better than a bunch of jokers making blog comments. Congressional comments read like a flame war.

The sad thing is, if you haven't caught my meaning, is that it breaks into two questions:

1. What is achievable in Iraq?
2. What is achievable in Washington?

If Washington can't get something as simple as their own buget in order, they are going to choose an achievable plan for a forign culture?

Give me a break.