Comments on: Chicago: Corruption IS the System

By: Floyd

Floyd — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:30:54 +0000

Triumph;
Thanks for the comprehensive list of Illinois politicians not yet indicted![lol]

By: sam

sam — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:09:41 +0000

Bush seemed to surprisingly avoid more than other Presidents petty corruption in his appointments.

You got the "petty" part, right. Google 'corruption Bush administration'.

By: JKB

JKB — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:56:16 +0000

And there in lies the risk to the Obama administration, like many local boys made good, he brought along some of his local "politicians" many who don't know that what their doing is criminal since they are wired into the local law enforcement establishment. But now gone national, they learn real quick the perils of law enforcement organizations that aren't in the local machine's pocket. I suspect we'll see more Chicago corruption trials since national politics makes doing it the Chicago-way a vulnerability to the Whitehouse. We saw lots of trials of petty Georgia politicians under Carter and Arkansas politicians under Clinton. We saw some in TX under Bush but it seems like the Republicans do their best corruption at the national level. And to me, Bush seemed to surprisingly avoid more than other Presidents petty corruption in his appointments.

By: charles austin

charles austin — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:41:20 +0000

Having grown up in the Chicago suburbs and lived all over the country and overseas, I'd say that Chicago has definitely earned its reputation for corruption. The fact that some honest politicians can be named doesn't change or mitigate that.

Interestingly though, while Chicago is quite corrupt, to a certain extent it still works in ways that other corrupt cities I have some familiarity with, e.g. Washington and St. Louis, do not.

By: Dave Schuler

Dave Schuler — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:23:36 +0000

I think that Pat Quinn is a decent bloke—had lunch with him last summer. And I've voted for Dawn Clark Netsch every time I've had the chance. I appreciate Forrest Claypool's opposition to the Stroger regime but that doesn't mean I think it's any more likely that he'll become Board President.

By: Triumph

Triumph — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:10:01 +0000

Dave notes, the man has a point: “Corruption isn’t a perversion of the system here. It is the system.”

This whole McCain-style "Chicago-as-the-most-corrupt-place-in-America" meme is utterly simplistic.

There is no more and no less corruption there than in other parts of the country. There are scores of on the level politicians in Chicago/Illinois:

Julie Hamos
Forrest Claypool
Pat Quinn
Dawn Clarke Nesch
Lou Lang

By: charles austin

charles austin — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:17:58 +0000

Further, to draw an analogy between our political system and forged steel, it is tougher and can withstand more pressure, but it also doesn't bend, so when the pressure becomes too great it just breaks.

By: charles austin

charles austin — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:16:24 +0000

Isn't there some concern that these are the conditions, where change within the system becomes impossible, that bring about some sort of revolutionary justice?

By: Dave Schuler

Dave Schuler — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:05:43 +0000

What I find frustrating is that it reminds me of the old Bert and I punchline: “You cahn't get theyah from heeah”. I don't see any practical way to get from where we are to a better, more decent situation. The Republican Party is no solution. The Illinois Republican Party is supine and has corruption problems of its own. The reform candidates are just as involved in the existing system as the regular candidates are.