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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114370</link>
		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once went to a very nice restaurant that had two separate sets of menus. One was handed to one group of customers based on their appearance and the other was handed to the other customers based on their appearance.

One had no prices on the menu and was handed to women. The other had the prices on the menu and were handed to me. And by the way, the female diners were not free.

Lets think about this differently. Imagine if it was a Tex-Mex restaurant that offered $1 discount on their spanish version of the menu. He says the difference is to support the learning of spanish by giving a discount for those who are able to handle enough spanish to order off the spanish menu. Now whether you said there was no problem or there was a problem hold that thought.

Imagine next that the Tex-Mex restaurant changes their policy and offers a $1 discount if you order in english. The owner makes the change to support the learning of english by giving a discount for those who are able to handle enough english to order off the english menu. Do you have a problem with that? 

Is your answer dependant on which language is getting the discount. If the owner is an immigrant who is grateful for what this country has allowed him to accomplish and thinks that learning english is one of the keys for immigrant success, does that change your view? If the owner believes that the state the restaurant is in was stolen from Mexico and should be returned, does that change your view?

At the end of the day, this should be a straight forward economic exchange. Money for food. If you don&#039;t like the deal, go somewhere else. If the owner wants to promote the use of one language vs another, support the restaurant or not. But lawyers don&#039;t need to be involved (unless they are buying me lunch).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once went to a very nice restaurant that had two separate sets of menus. One was handed to one group of customers based on their appearance and the other was handed to the other customers based on their appearance.</p>
<p>One had no prices on the menu and was handed to women. The other had the prices on the menu and were handed to me. And by the way, the female diners were not free.</p>
<p>Lets think about this differently. Imagine if it was a Tex-Mex restaurant that offered $1 discount on their spanish version of the menu. He says the difference is to support the learning of spanish by giving a discount for those who are able to handle enough spanish to order off the spanish menu. Now whether you said there was no problem or there was a problem hold that thought.</p>
<p>Imagine next that the Tex-Mex restaurant changes their policy and offers a $1 discount if you order in english. The owner makes the change to support the learning of english by giving a discount for those who are able to handle enough english to order off the english menu. Do you have a problem with that? </p>
<p>Is your answer dependant on which language is getting the discount. If the owner is an immigrant who is grateful for what this country has allowed him to accomplish and thinks that learning english is one of the keys for immigrant success, does that change your view? If the owner believes that the state the restaurant is in was stolen from Mexico and should be returned, does that change your view?</p>
<p>At the end of the day, this should be a straight forward economic exchange. Money for food. If you don't like the deal, go somewhere else. If the owner wants to promote the use of one language vs another, support the restaurant or not. But lawyers don't need to be involved (unless they are buying me lunch).</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114366</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson, I&#039;ll just cite my case.  I speak perfectly acceptable English, but I do get the Chinese menu when I go to a Chinese restaurant based on my appearance, AND from my ability to converse in the language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson, I'll just cite my case.  I speak perfectly acceptable English, but I do get the Chinese menu when I go to a Chinese restaurant based on my appearance, AND from my ability to converse in the language.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114352</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’m sure almost all of them are learning rudimentary English; they just happen to also speak Chinese.&lt;/em&gt;

Permit me to doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I&rsquo;m sure almost all of them are learning rudimentary English; they just happen to also speak Chinese.</em></p>
<p>Permit me to doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114350</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how many of the commenters at Yglesia’s site are falling all over themselves to justify racism and discrimination as long as it is aimed at whites.

I doubt that any of the mentioned Chinese restaurants wait until they have confirmed the individuals ability to speak Chinese before handing them the menu.  What is really going on is cheaper prices for ethnic Chinese who are recent immigrants. 

Of course I suspect that all of these restaurants also cheat on their taxes and fragrantly violate health and building codes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how many of the commenters at Yglesia&rsquo;s site are falling all over themselves to justify racism and discrimination as long as it is aimed at whites.</p>
<p>I doubt that any of the mentioned Chinese restaurants wait until they have confirmed the individuals ability to speak Chinese before handing them the menu.  What is really going on is cheaper prices for ethnic Chinese who are recent immigrants. </p>
<p>Of course I suspect that all of these restaurants also cheat on their taxes and fragrantly violate health and building codes.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114345</link>
		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discrimination - how about ladies days at the ballpark?

My sporting goods catalogs discriminate by sending their catalogs to sportsman and woman.

There are certain sections of a nearby city that I tend to discriminate against -especially at night.

But Chinese food is not acceptable to me - I care not the least if they charge someone else a buck less. 

Isn&#039;t there a biblical admonition about complaining about the wages given to those laborers who came late to the field?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discrimination - how about ladies days at the ballpark?</p>
<p>My sporting goods catalogs discriminate by sending their catalogs to sportsman and woman.</p>
<p>There are certain sections of a nearby city that I tend to discriminate against -especially at night.</p>
<p>But Chinese food is not acceptable to me - I care not the least if they charge someone else a buck less. </p>
<p>Isn't there a biblical admonition about complaining about the wages given to those laborers who came late to the field?</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114343</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe what a hot topic this is on Yglesia&#039;s site.  There&#039;s almost 200 comments on this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't believe what a hot topic this is on Yglesia's site.  There's almost 200 comments on this one!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114333</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not it goes on all the time, does not mean that it&#039;s right.  But, I have to also look at the situation in this case.

It&#039;s a Freakin Dollar!  Don&#039;t Fret!  Come over my house and I&#039;ll give you a whole dollar, not the paper ones, but the new coin ones too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not it goes on all the time, does not mean that it's right.  But, I have to also look at the situation in this case.</p>
<p>It's a Freakin Dollar!  Don't Fret!  Come over my house and I'll give you a whole dollar, not the paper ones, but the new coin ones too...</p>
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		<title>By: Jaysun Lee Ammerman</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114322</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaysun Lee Ammerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone can see that this is discrimination.  I know not only Chinese people speak Chinese but I also know that the number of non-Chinese/Chinese speaking people who eat at these restaurants is very few. This is just a very smart way to discriminate those who do not fit &quot;the culture.&quot; Though no one probably will not do anything about this they should. I feel like I have to learn Chinese now. And, the whole car dealer ship is a bad example. This is something totally different. And also, Charging senior citizens less is just out of respect and plus it gives us all something to look forward to. I wonder if they give senior discounts in china town?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone can see that this is discrimination.  I know not only Chinese people speak Chinese but I also know that the number of non-Chinese/Chinese speaking people who eat at these restaurants is very few. This is just a very smart way to discriminate those who do not fit "the culture." Though no one probably will not do anything about this they should. I feel like I have to learn Chinese now. And, the whole car dealer ship is a bad example. This is something totally different. And also, Charging senior citizens less is just out of respect and plus it gives us all something to look forward to. I wonder if they give senior discounts in china town?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114317</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Can I come live on the planet you live on where senior citizens are NOT a protected class? &lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s illegal to discriminate on the basis of age &lt;em&gt;against&lt;/em&gt; those over 40.  Here, the protected class is the beneficiary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Can I come live on the planet you live on where senior citizens are NOT a protected class? </em></p>
<p>It's illegal to discriminate on the basis of age <em>against</em> those over 40.  Here, the protected class is the beneficiary.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Can I come live on the planet you live on where senior citizens are NOT a protected class?  Maybe on your planet we wouldn&#039;t have to worry about the growing number of protected classes.  Soon we will probably see gays there as well.  No wonder there are huge growing numbers of lawyers EVERYday.

Get with the program man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Can I come live on the planet you live on where senior citizens are NOT a protected class?  Maybe on your planet we wouldn't have to worry about the growing number of protected classes.  Soon we will probably see gays there as well.  No wonder there are huge growing numbers of lawyers EVERYday.</p>
<p>Get with the program man!</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114307</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JPE; One can always infer what one chooses, even when nothing is implied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JPE; One can always infer what one chooses, even when nothing is implied.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114306</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James; It&#039;s not ethnic discrimination since the discount is offered to anyone who orders in chinese, regardless of their ethnicity. You don&#039;t even have to speak the language beyond reading the menu and and saying please and thank you! just learn the menu and save the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James; It's not ethnic discrimination since the discount is offered to anyone who orders in chinese, regardless of their ethnicity. You don't even have to speak the language beyond reading the menu and and saying please and thank you! just learn the menu and save the money.</p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114301</link>
		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When language tracks national origin, one can infer race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When language tracks national origin, one can infer race.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114289</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to www.chowhound.com and look at some of the discussions about Chinese restaurants in the DC area.  Plenty of roundeyes ask for and get the &quot;Chinese&quot; menu and order off them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to <a href="http://www.chowhound.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chowhound.com</a> and look at some of the discussions about Chinese restaurants in the DC area.  Plenty of roundeyes ask for and get the "Chinese" menu and order off them.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/chinese_menu_discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-114288</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;not only are the immigrants not bothering to learn rudimentary English, they’re actually charging English-speakers extra for their own lack of acculturization.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m sure almost all of them are learning rudimentary English; they just happen to also speak Chinese.

&lt;em&gt;If a roundeye walks in and can order in Chinese, then I’d preseume they’d get the discount too. &lt;/em&gt;

My guess is that the roundeyes aren&#039;t given that menu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>not only are the immigrants not bothering to learn rudimentary English, they&rsquo;re actually charging English-speakers extra for their own lack of acculturization.</em></p>
<p>I'm sure almost all of them are learning rudimentary English; they just happen to also speak Chinese.</p>
<p><em>If a roundeye walks in and can order in Chinese, then I&rsquo;d preseume they&rsquo;d get the discount too. </em></p>
<p>My guess is that the roundeyes aren't given that menu.</p>
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