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		<title>By: G A Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cia_agents_outed_on_internet/comment-page-1/#comment-76302</link>
		<dc:creator>G A Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anjin-san, &quot; he is looking positively Jeffersonian&quot; Why Dude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anjin-san, " he is looking positively Jeffersonian" Why Dude?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A cup in Chile shun by one side and the slavery their results from it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(Sigh)
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A complete capitulation by one side and the slavery that results from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A cup in Chile shun by one side and the slavery their results from it.</p></blockquote>
<p>(Sigh)<br />
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A complete capitulation by one side and the slavery that results from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this would seem to raise two questions: 

* why the press was having such a field day with the Plaime game when anybody with a decent copy of Internet Explorer could pick up the information that was supposedly leaked?

* Why the press, if it is so well informed about matters political and so worldly, would think that &lt;em&gt;anybody else&lt;/em&gt; would have such a problem?  

I figure either way, the mainstream media comes out on the short end of this fuzzy stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this would seem to raise two questions: </p>
<p>* why the press was having such a field day with the Plaime game when anybody with a decent copy of Internet Explorer could pick up the information that was supposedly leaked?</p>
<p>* Why the press, if it is so well informed about matters political and so worldly, would think that <em>anybody else</em> would have such a problem?  </p>
<p>I figure either way, the mainstream media comes out on the short end of this fuzzy stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By two means million people in chief peace ; 

* an agreement between two sides equitable to both.  

* A cup in Chile shun by one side and the slavery their results from it.  

I submit Clinton gave us the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By two means million people in chief peace ; </p>
<p>* an agreement between two sides equitable to both.  </p>
<p>* A cup in Chile shun by one side and the slavery their results from it.  </p>
<p>I submit Clinton gave us the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But remember anjin-san, he did not have a 9/11on his watch. Almost (WTC attack, 1993), but not quite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But remember anjin-san, he did not have a 9/11on his watch. Almost (WTC attack, 1993), but not quite.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,  

Not sure I see your problem with Clinton&#039;s &quot;kids&quot;.  After all, the Clinton era was essentially a period of peace and prosperity for our country.  I was not a huge Clinton fan at the time, but in the rear-view mirror he is looking positivly Jeffersonian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,  </p>
<p>Not sure I see your problem with Clinton's "kids".  After all, the Clinton era was essentially a period of peace and prosperity for our country.  I was not a huge Clinton fan at the time, but in the rear-view mirror he is looking positivly Jeffersonian.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonk</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cia_agents_outed_on_internet/comment-page-1/#comment-76270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finger pointing is useless.  This ties directly into my previous couple of posts dealing with Beltway Mercs calling the shots instead of the professionals.  This idiocy is killing us...

I am with Goss, we need to get back in the business of keeping secrets...secret.  *slaps forehead and shakes head*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finger pointing is useless.  This ties directly into my previous couple of posts dealing with Beltway Mercs calling the shots instead of the professionals.  This idiocy is killing us...</p>
<p>I am with Goss, we need to get back in the business of keeping secrets...secret.  *slaps forehead and shakes head*</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion:  I can&#039;t disagree on Brownie and I&#039;m sure there are a few other examples.  Not sure on Allen; I&#039;d never heard of him before the shoplifting incident.

From my vantagepoint the administration seemed to be better than its predecessor at appointing adults. How many 20-something kids fresh from their stints as Rhodes Scholars had high level positions in the Clinton administration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion:  I can't disagree on Brownie and I'm sure there are a few other examples.  Not sure on Allen; I'd never heard of him before the shoplifting incident.</p>
<p>From my vantagepoint the administration seemed to be better than its predecessor at appointing adults. How many 20-something kids fresh from their stints as Rhodes Scholars had high level positions in the Clinton administration?</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
I was speaking more of exec branch agencies in general than the intel community specifically... In particular, from the crowd of think-tank yuppies that had no business trying to rebuild the Iraqi economy in the early days under Bremer, to the stories of large numbers of senior DoJ lawyers being driven out, to Ken Mehlman shutting out a State dept appointment as a favor to Abramoff, to guys like Brownie and Claude Allen having jobs at all.

Sure, any system is going to have some &#039;reward&#039; positions, but in order for the gov&#039;t to function at all, there have to be some positions of responsibility where job performance matters more than political affiliation. I think this administration disagrees...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
I was speaking more of exec branch agencies in general than the intel community specifically... In particular, from the crowd of think-tank yuppies that had no business trying to rebuild the Iraqi economy in the early days under Bremer, to the stories of large numbers of senior DoJ lawyers being driven out, to Ken Mehlman shutting out a State dept appointment as a favor to Abramoff, to guys like Brownie and Claude Allen having jobs at all.</p>
<p>Sure, any system is going to have some 'reward' positions, but in order for the gov't to function at all, there have to be some positions of responsibility where job performance matters more than political affiliation. I think this administration disagrees...</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The secret CIA facilties are a joke.  Any taxi driver in Northern Virginia could tell you where they are without batting their eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The secret CIA facilties are a joke.  Any taxi driver in Northern Virginia could tell you where they are without batting their eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion:  Who is it that Bush has appointed to oversee intelligence that is not qualified?  

At CIA, hHe kept George Tenent around and then replaced him with Porter Goss, who was a CIA officer and head of the House Intel Committee.  The DDCIA Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency is  Vice Admiral Albert M. Calland, a career intel guy.  (The CIA&#039;s website is down at the moment, so I can&#039;t access the bios of the other top officials.)

On the DNI side, Negroponte has was a career FSO. Hayden is a four star career intel officer with a stint as head of NSA under his belt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion:  Who is it that Bush has appointed to oversee intelligence that is not qualified?  </p>
<p>At CIA, hHe kept George Tenent around and then replaced him with Porter Goss, who was a CIA officer and head of the House Intel Committee.  The DDCIA Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency is  Vice Admiral Albert M. Calland, a career intel guy.  (The CIA's website is down at the moment, so I can't access the bios of the other top officials.)</p>
<p>On the DNI side, Negroponte has was a career FSO. Hayden is a four star career intel officer with a stint as head of NSA under his belt.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read former CIA Clandestine Operator Larry Johnson&#039;s take on this over at TPMCafe.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read former CIA Clandestine Operator Larry Johnson's take on this over at TPMCafe.com</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ??s not the job of a presidential administration to ensure that the nationâ??s intelligence professionals are using tradecraft that stands up to modern investigative techniques; thatâ??s the job of the Agencyâ??s senior leadership.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
While that&#039;s technically true, James, who keeps appointing incompetents to senior leadership posts all across the government? When Bush says &#039;I like this guy. Give &#039;im a job,&#039; no two-bit staffer is going to tell him the guys a crook or an idiot, or even just completely unsuited for the job.

It used to be that in agencies like the CIA, the directorship was a political reward, but still handed to people with some qualification or background in that area. The actual &#039;heavy lifting&#039; of running the agency was done by the #2 and the admin deputies, who were typically career types from within. But wholesale replacements of senior execs with more political clones &amp; sinecures whose PAC donation record is more important than their resume has eliminated any ability to fix this problem from within...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ??s not the job of a presidential administration to ensure that the nationâ??s intelligence professionals are using tradecraft that stands up to modern investigative techniques; thatâ??s the job of the Agencyâ??s senior leadership.</p></blockquote>
<p>While that's technically true, James, who keeps appointing incompetents to senior leadership posts all across the government? When Bush says 'I like this guy. Give 'im a job,' no two-bit staffer is going to tell him the guys a crook or an idiot, or even just completely unsuited for the job.</p>
<p>It used to be that in agencies like the CIA, the directorship was a political reward, but still handed to people with some qualification or background in that area. The actual 'heavy lifting' of running the agency was done by the #2 and the admin deputies, who were typically career types from within. But wholesale replacements of senior execs with more political clones &amp; sinecures whose PAC donation record is more important than their resume has eliminated any ability to fix this problem from within...</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of the story, perhaps apocryphal, though it is told by many from the CIA, about a junior CIA officer who was assigned to pick up a defector from the airport and check him into a local hotel under an assumed name.

In the process of doing so, he noticed that the reservation form had a big, red &quot;CIA&quot; stamped on it and figured that the cover had been completely blown. 

As the story goes, though, that &quot;CIA&quot; only meant &quot;cash in advance.&quot;

On a more serous note, though, the books by Philip Agee that identified probably CIA officers led to a change in the way some of the bureaucracy functions. State used to have its &quot;stud book,&quot; a regularly updated volume of bio information about State officers giving details about their various postings abroad. Knowing how diplomatic cover is used, it wasn&#039;t too difficult to figure out who didn&#039;t fall into the &quot;normal&quot; pattern of State assignments. This let one make assumptions and draw conclusions about those not falling with in the normal pattern.

As a result, the stud-book, already classified--though it may have been only &quot;administratively controlled&quot;--was simply shut down. It was the appropriate step for the time and technology. Now we need more appropriate measures for our current time and technologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm reminded of the story, perhaps apocryphal, though it is told by many from the CIA, about a junior CIA officer who was assigned to pick up a defector from the airport and check him into a local hotel under an assumed name.</p>
<p>In the process of doing so, he noticed that the reservation form had a big, red "CIA" stamped on it and figured that the cover had been completely blown. </p>
<p>As the story goes, though, that "CIA" only meant "cash in advance."</p>
<p>On a more serous note, though, the books by Philip Agee that identified probably CIA officers led to a change in the way some of the bureaucracy functions. State used to have its "stud book," a regularly updated volume of bio information about State officers giving details about their various postings abroad. Knowing how diplomatic cover is used, it wasn't too difficult to figure out who didn't fall into the "normal" pattern of State assignments. This let one make assumptions and draw conclusions about those not falling with in the normal pattern.</p>
<p>As a result, the stud-book, already classified--though it may have been only "administratively controlled"--was simply shut down. It was the appropriate step for the time and technology. Now we need more appropriate measures for our current time and technologies.</p>
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