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		<title>By: CALIFORNIA  YANKEE</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/citibank_provide_cheap_home_loans_to_illegal_aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-75298</link>
		<dc:creator>CALIFORNIA  YANKEE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Citibank Reaching Out To illegal Aliens...&lt;/strong&gt;

Diggers Realm has posted an expose about &quot;Citibank Offering Illegal Aliens Mortgages With Below Market Interest Rates, Down Payment Assistance And No Mortgage Insurance Requirements:&quot; The article goes on to describe an illegal alien who had a friend ...</description>
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<p>Diggers Realm has posted an expose about "Citibank Offering Illegal Aliens Mortgages With Below Market Interest Rates, Down Payment Assistance And No Mortgage Insurance Requirements:" The article goes on to describe an illegal alien who had a friend ...</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/citibank_provide_cheap_home_loans_to_illegal_aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-75283</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, that&#039;s a great money making idea.  We should have more illegal aliens here so we can tax them and not have to pay anything out.  If we get enough of them pretty soon we&#039;ll have a budget surplus :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, that's a great money making idea.  We should have more illegal aliens here so we can tax them and not have to pay anything out.  If we get enough of them pretty soon we'll have a budget surplus :P</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/citibank_provide_cheap_home_loans_to_illegal_aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-75277</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LDJ:  Because we&#039;re trying to have it both ways. They&#039;re not entitled to be here but we want them to pay taxes.  But not collect Social Security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LDJ:  Because we're trying to have it both ways. They're not entitled to be here but we want them to pay taxes.  But not collect Social Security.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems we&#039;re asking the wrong question here. If they&#039;re ILLEGAL, why do they HAVE TIN #s?

&lt;blockquote&gt;On July 1, 1996, the IRS began assigning individual taxpayer identification numbers (ITINs) to aliens who are otherwise ineligible for SSNs but who need taxpayer identification numbers for tax purposes. See generally 61 Fed. Reg. 26,788 (May 29, 1996).

An ITIN is a tax processing number for certain nonresident and resident aliens, their spouses, and dependents. It should be used only for income tax purposes. ITINs do not entitle aliens to social security benefits or the earned income tax credit, create any inferences regarding aliens immigration statuses, or give aliens a right to work in the United States. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If ITINs do not &#039;create any inferences regarding status&#039; or &#039;give the aliens the right to work&#039; why on God&#039;s green Earth would some one who is not allowed to be here legally need to have one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems we're asking the wrong question here. If they're ILLEGAL, why do they HAVE TIN #s?</p>
<blockquote><p>On July 1, 1996, the IRS began assigning individual taxpayer identification numbers (ITINs) to aliens who are otherwise ineligible for SSNs but who need taxpayer identification numbers for tax purposes. See generally 61 Fed. Reg. 26,788 (May 29, 1996).</p>
<p>An ITIN is a tax processing number for certain nonresident and resident aliens, their spouses, and dependents. It should be used only for income tax purposes. ITINs do not entitle aliens to social security benefits or the earned income tax credit, create any inferences regarding aliens immigration statuses, or give aliens a right to work in the United States. </p></blockquote>
<p>If ITINs do not 'create any inferences regarding status' or 'give the aliens the right to work' why on God's green Earth would some one who is not allowed to be here legally need to have one?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt that the home was actually $565K, probably like $265K.  A $565K home in Riverside CA (about 100 miles North of SD but just as popular and pricey) would be a 3,000 sq.ft. home, 5bed, 3bath (with no yard to speak of).

A 3 bed, 2bath home could probably be gotten for $265K easily in many cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that the home was actually $565K, probably like $265K.  A $565K home in Riverside CA (about 100 miles North of SD but just as popular and pricey) would be a 3,000 sq.ft. home, 5bed, 3bath (with no yard to speak of).</p>
<p>A 3 bed, 2bath home could probably be gotten for $265K easily in many cities.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/citibank_provide_cheap_home_loans_to_illegal_aliens/comment-page-1/#comment-75270</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digger:

I can&#039;t imagine Citibanc subsidized the payments.  Why would they?  It&#039;s possible ACORN did, however.

Or it may be that she bought the place for a whole lot less and it&#039;s just appraised at that much now.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Estela, the first to secure a local loan, is a house cleaner from Mexico City. She has lived, worked and paid taxes in San Diego County for 13 years but has no legal right to be here. However, Estela does have a tax-ID number.

ACORN Housing officials disclosed her identity to The San Diego Union-Tribune  on the condition her full name not be used. Six years ago, Estela asked an American friend to help her buy a home. She paid the costs, his name was on the loan and title. But a tax lien frightened her friend, who transferred the title to Estela. When the mortgage company found out she was an illegal immigrant, it demanded full payment.

Estela thought she would have to sell her three-bedroom home or lose it. That is, until she heard about the tax-ID loan program. In October, Estela signed the final documents for a new mortgage issued by Citibank. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

It doesn&#039;t say what it cost six years ago.  Likely much less.  But, still, one would think out of reach for a housekeeper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digger:</p>
<p>I can't imagine Citibanc subsidized the payments.  Why would they?  It's possible ACORN did, however.</p>
<p>Or it may be that she bought the place for a whole lot less and it's just appraised at that much now.</p>
<blockquote><p>Estela, the first to secure a local loan, is a house cleaner from Mexico City. She has lived, worked and paid taxes in San Diego County for 13 years but has no legal right to be here. However, Estela does have a tax-ID number.</p>
<p>ACORN Housing officials disclosed her identity to The San Diego Union-Tribune  on the condition her full name not be used. Six years ago, Estela asked an American friend to help her buy a home. She paid the costs, his name was on the loan and title. But a tax lien frightened her friend, who transferred the title to Estela. When the mortgage company found out she was an illegal immigrant, it demanded full payment.</p>
<p>Estela thought she would have to sell her three-bedroom home or lose it. That is, until she heard about the tax-ID loan program. In October, Estela signed the final documents for a new mortgage issued by Citibank. </p></blockquote>
<p>It doesn't say what it cost six years ago.  Likely much less.  But, still, one would think out of reach for a housekeeper.</p>
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		<title>By: Digger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking they&#039;re subsidizing her monthly payments as well, that&#039;s why it&#039;s only $700 a month. Since when can a housekeeper afford a 500k+ house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm thinking they're subsidizing her monthly payments as well, that's why it's only $700 a month. Since when can a housekeeper afford a 500k+ house?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arky: The story doesn&#039;t say what the loan amount was. It&#039;s doubtful an illegal alien housecleaner has $400,00 to put down but it does make it sound like some sort of re-fi on an older loan, so maybe the original purchase price was much lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arky: The story doesn't say what the loan amount was. It's doubtful an illegal alien housecleaner has $400,00 to put down but it does make it sound like some sort of re-fi on an older loan, so maybe the original purchase price was much lower.</p>
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		<title>By: arky</title>
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		<dc:creator>arky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Something&#039;s not adding up here: $565,000 at 5% over 30 years should mean a mortgage payment of $ 3,033.04 a month. At the standard rate of 6%, it would be $3,387.46. Even at 5%, the most one could borrow for $780 a month is $145,100. (See any mortgage rate calculator.)&quot;

It said it was appraised at $565k.  Maybe she got a sweet deal on the purchase price as well, and/or put down a substantial down payment (which might affect the interest rate as well...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Something's not adding up here: $565,000 at 5% over 30 years should mean a mortgage payment of $ 3,033.04 a month. At the standard rate of 6%, it would be $3,387.46. Even at 5%, the most one could borrow for $780 a month is $145,100. (See any mortgage rate calculator.)"</p>
<p>It said it was appraised at $565k.  Maybe she got a sweet deal on the purchase price as well, and/or put down a substantial down payment (which might affect the interest rate as well...)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.

Although I really think we have picked--and what we have picked is:  &quot;please come and take our low paying, menial jobs&quot;--and we have done so for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being that the economic forces in play have pulled us there and will continue to do so.  Not to mention that to really chose the other option would be far more expensive and distasteful than many are willing to face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.</p>
<p>Although I really think we have picked--and what we have picked is:  "please come and take our low paying, menial jobs"--and we have done so for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being that the economic forces in play have pulled us there and will continue to do so.  Not to mention that to really chose the other option would be far more expensive and distasteful than many are willing to face.</p>
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