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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wasn’t it just a short time ago we heard the left complaining loudly about these kind of visits from President Bush to the troops?&lt;/blockquote&gt;No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wasn&rsquo;t it just a short time ago we heard the left complaining loudly about these kind of visits from President Bush to the troops?</p></blockquote>
<p>No.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One guesses it is just a logical courtesy.  His position as PE is a rather unique one, even if it isn&#039;t a government office, per se.  Beyond that, one would think that practically any celebrity who wanted to visit the troops during the holiday season for a morale boost would be allowed to do so.  If, say, Bono, Oprah or Tom Hanks stopped ny and said they wanted to visit soldiers, one would think that they would be allowed to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One guesses it is just a logical courtesy.  His position as PE is a rather unique one, even if it isn't a government office, per se.  Beyond that, one would think that practically any celebrity who wanted to visit the troops during the holiday season for a morale boost would be allowed to do so.  If, say, Bono, Oprah or Tom Hanks stopped ny and said they wanted to visit soldiers, one would think that they would be allowed to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The *@MESSIAH*@</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The *@MESSIAH*@</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/citizen_obama_visits_troops_on_christmas/comment-page-1/#comment-542722</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;despite having fashioned a seal for himself, there’s really no such thing as the “Office of the President-elect.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As President-elect, he is afforded certain things, because of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?noc=T&amp;contentType=GSA_BASIC&amp;contentId=24780&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Presidential Transition Act of 1963&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?programId=13294&amp;channelId=-19661&amp;ooid=24614&amp;contentId=24781&amp;pageTypeId=8199&amp;contentType=GSA_BASIC&amp;programPage=%2Fep%2Fprogram%2FgsaBasic.jsp&amp;P=CA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2000&lt;/a&gt;.

Some of the perks are office space and an office staff, paid by the government. He doesn&#039;t really have a position in the government, but he does have some sort of government recognition that he soon will have a position in the government. And he has a title recognized in law.

So technically, I think it flies. I still think it&#039;s pretentious, but that&#039;s not news about Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>despite having fashioned a seal for himself, there&rsquo;s really no such thing as the “Office of the President-elect.”</p></blockquote>
<p>As President-elect, he is afforded certain things, because of the <a href="http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?noc=T&amp;contentType=GSA_BASIC&amp;contentId=24780" rel="nofollow">Presidential Transition Act of 1963</a> and <a href="http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?programId=13294&amp;channelId=-19661&amp;ooid=24614&amp;contentId=24781&amp;pageTypeId=8199&amp;contentType=GSA_BASIC&amp;programPage=%2Fep%2Fprogram%2FgsaBasic.jsp&amp;P=CA" rel="nofollow">2000</a>.</p>
<p>Some of the perks are office space and an office staff, paid by the government. He doesn't really have a position in the government, but he does have some sort of government recognition that he soon will have a position in the government. And he has a title recognized in law.</p>
<p>So technically, I think it flies. I still think it's pretentious, but that's not news about Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Schiavenza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Schiavenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead,

Actually, Obama resigned his Senate seat in late November, as James noted in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead,</p>
<p>Actually, Obama resigned his Senate seat in late November, as James noted in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, whatever else he is, he&#039;s still a senator.

Still... Wasn’t it just a short time ago we heard the left complaining loudly about these kind of visits from President Bush to the troops? Grandstanding we were told. Well, about that; Since they’re releasing pictures of the event, it is relatively easy to figure out why Obama actually went through with this particular event, as opposed to canceling it at the last minute as he did with an event at Walter Reed. 

Forgive me, but it doesn’t seem to me to be a massive sacrifice on his part to be visiting the troops on Christmas that are lucky enough to be stationed in Hawaii. Given his history, I can only conclude this is at best a half hearted effort with the troops with the larger concern being his image with the voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, whatever else he is, he's still a senator.</p>
<p>Still... Wasn&rsquo;t it just a short time ago we heard the left complaining loudly about these kind of visits from President Bush to the troops? Grandstanding we were told. Well, about that; Since they&rsquo;re releasing pictures of the event, it is relatively easy to figure out why Obama actually went through with this particular event, as opposed to canceling it at the last minute as he did with an event at Walter Reed. </p>
<p>Forgive me, but it doesn&rsquo;t seem to me to be a massive sacrifice on his part to be visiting the troops on Christmas that are lucky enough to be stationed in Hawaii. Given his history, I can only conclude this is at best a half hearted effort with the troops with the larger concern being his image with the voters.</p>
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		<title>By: SFC SKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFC SKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s staffer probably called the public affairs officer to arrange  entry to the base; that&#039;s SOP.

Personally, I think it&#039;s better that he went in on an informal basis, otherwise those Marines would probably have been setting up some dog&#039;n&#039;pony show instead of enjoying their meal.

I&#039;m sure that all the uniformed personnel were courteous and professional, in any case.  If not, we&#039;d have heard about it on Page 1, and the Op-eds would be about the military rift with Obama, just like Clinton, etc, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama's staffer probably called the public affairs officer to arrange  entry to the base; that's SOP.</p>
<p>Personally, I think it's better that he went in on an informal basis, otherwise those Marines would probably have been setting up some dog'n'pony show instead of enjoying their meal.</p>
<p>I'm sure that all the uniformed personnel were courteous and professional, in any case.  If not, we'd have heard about it on Page 1, and the Op-eds would be about the military rift with Obama, just like Clinton, etc, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting. That&#039;s how it was at Fort McClellan, previous home to the MP and Chemical schools, too, back in the day. In the National Capitol Region, however, all the posts are controlled access, even those such as Fort Belvoir and Fort McNair that seem to house innocuous TRADOC functions. Ditto Carlisle Barracks, PA, home of the Army War College. I just presumed that all the posts were making it hard to get in in the post-9/11 environment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It has actually gotten easier. I don&#039;t get it, either. Had a buddy of mine tell me things I do not want to repeat recently... 

I really should raise complaints with my congress people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Interesting. That's how it was at Fort McClellan, previous home to the MP and Chemical schools, too, back in the day. In the National Capitol Region, however, all the posts are controlled access, even those such as Fort Belvoir and Fort McNair that seem to house innocuous TRADOC functions. Ditto Carlisle Barracks, PA, home of the Army War College. I just presumed that all the posts were making it hard to get in in the post-9/11 environment.</p></blockquote>
<p>It has actually gotten easier. I don't get it, either. Had a buddy of mine tell me things I do not want to repeat recently... </p>
<p>I really should raise complaints with my congress people.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read where right after the election the President had authorized detailed briefings for Obama.  Just as he had authorized briefings for both McCain and Obama during the campaign.  

The President is the top classifying authority for all information and as such can authorize the release to anyone he chooses.  As a matter of course, he follows established procedures for classified material but in the end, the classifying authority is the person who determines need to know and authorizes the release of the information.  Security clearances are simply one method for the classifying authority to determine the risk of releasing the information to the person but are not barrier to it (for the classifying authority).  Clearances and other procedures are policies that classifying authorities use to permit the release of information they have classified by those lower in the food chain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read where right after the election the President had authorized detailed briefings for Obama.  Just as he had authorized briefings for both McCain and Obama during the campaign.  </p>
<p>The President is the top classifying authority for all information and as such can authorize the release to anyone he chooses.  As a matter of course, he follows established procedures for classified material but in the end, the classifying authority is the person who determines need to know and authorizes the release of the information.  Security clearances are simply one method for the classifying authority to determine the risk of releasing the information to the person but are not barrier to it (for the classifying authority).  Clearances and other procedures are policies that classifying authorities use to permit the release of information they have classified by those lower in the food chain.</p>
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		<title>By: Leisureguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leisureguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Barack Obama&#039;s visit---and the permission for it---was a matter of courtesy and common sense, two attributes that seem to be in short supply in some circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Barack Obama's visit---and the permission for it---was a matter of courtesy and common sense, two attributes that seem to be in short supply in some circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Libby Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a practical matter, considering he travels with a virtual army of Secret Service protection, I doubt any drop-in is casual, although they probably kept it quiet for security reasons - Obama&#039;s, not necessarily the base. 

But I&#039;m also curious, now that you (and John) mention it, about how the security clearances work generally in terms of briefings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a practical matter, considering he travels with a virtual army of Secret Service protection, I doubt any drop-in is casual, although they probably kept it quiet for security reasons - Obama's, not necessarily the base. </p>
<p>But I'm also curious, now that you (and John) mention it, about how the security clearances work generally in terms of briefings.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not sure how you define a &quot;secure military facility&quot;, but I can tell you that anyone who wants to can waltz in to Fort Leonard Wood, anytime they want (they look at your driver&#039;s license, nothing else). While I am sure there are areas that civilians can&#039;t go, I have yet to find one in all the years I have been working there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting. That&#039;s how it was at Fort McClellan, previous home to the MP and Chemical schools, too, back in the day.  In the National Capitol Region, however, all the posts are controlled access, even those such as Fort Belvoir and Fort McNair that seem to house innocuous TRADOC functions.  Ditto Carlisle Barracks, PA, home of the Army War College.  I just presumed that all the posts were making it hard to get in in the post-9/11 environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not sure how you define a "secure military facility", but I can tell you that anyone who wants to can waltz in to Fort Leonard Wood, anytime they want (they look at your driver's license, nothing else). While I am sure there are areas that civilians can't go, I have yet to find one in all the years I have been working there.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting. That's how it was at Fort McClellan, previous home to the MP and Chemical schools, too, back in the day.  In the National Capitol Region, however, all the posts are controlled access, even those such as Fort Belvoir and Fort McNair that seem to house innocuous TRADOC functions.  Ditto Carlisle Barracks, PA, home of the Army War College.  I just presumed that all the posts were making it hard to get in in the post-9/11 environment.</p>
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		<title>By: caj</title>
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		<dc:creator>caj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s great that PE Obama went to see the troops over Christmas and why shouldn&#039;t he, he will be their new commander in chief come next Jan.
All these negative folks get on my nerves, the man is damned if he does and damned if he doesn&#039;t and they just give the man a break.
No matter how you feel about it come Jan we are going to have a new President and it can&#039;t come a moment too soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's great that PE Obama went to see the troops over Christmas and why shouldn't he, he will be their new commander in chief come next Jan.<br />
All these negative folks get on my nerves, the man is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't and they just give the man a break.<br />
No matter how you feel about it come Jan we are going to have a new President and it can't come a moment too soon.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So . . . how is he able to waltz onto a secure military facility on a casual drop-by basis? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not sure how you define a &quot;secure military facility&quot;, but I can tell you that anyone who wants to can waltz in to Fort Leonard Wood, anytime they want (they look at your driver&#039;s license, nothing else). While I am sure there are areas that civilians can&#039;t go, I have yet to find one in all the years I have been working there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So . . . how is he able to waltz onto a secure military facility on a casual drop-by basis? </p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure how you define a "secure military facility", but I can tell you that anyone who wants to can waltz in to Fort Leonard Wood, anytime they want (they look at your driver's license, nothing else). While I am sure there are areas that civilians can't go, I have yet to find one in all the years I have been working there.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you know, I am kind of curious as to how all of this works.

What is he entitled to, briefing wise?  What is he not?  Are the briefings he is receiving and all president-elects get legal, or does no one care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you know, I am kind of curious as to how all of this works.</p>
<p>What is he entitled to, briefing wise?  What is he not?  Are the briefings he is receiving and all president-elects get legal, or does no one care?</p>
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