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	<title>Comments on: Clarence Thomas Family Flag Flap</title>
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		<title>By: Mud Blood & Beer</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17815</link>
		<dc:creator>Mud Blood & Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could quite easily limit displays to flying the American flag only.  These communities are private spaces and can set a lot of their own rules, provided there is a type of due process for those living there when new rules are enacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could quite easily limit displays to flying the American flag only.  These communities are private spaces and can set a lot of their own rules, provided there is a type of due process for those living there when new rules are enacted.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17816</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;These communities are private spaces and can set a lot of their own rules, provided there is a type of due process for those living there when new rules are enacted.&lt;/i&gt;

Within limits, yes. But to enforce those rules sometimes requires going to court -- and the Constitution would apply to what &lt;i&gt;the court&lt;/i&gt; can do in trying to enforce the rule.

If the court can&#039;t enforce the rule, the association is left without leverage in getting residents to comply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>These communities are private spaces and can set a lot of their own rules, provided there is a type of due process for those living there when new rules are enacted.</i></p>
<p>Within limits, yes. But to enforce those rules sometimes requires going to court -- and the Constitution would apply to what <i>the court</i> can do in trying to enforce the rule.</p>
<p>If the court can't enforce the rule, the association is left without leverage in getting residents to comply.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17817</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, the only people who seem to be making a big deal of Clarence Thomas connection are the media. Typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, the only people who seem to be making a big deal of Clarence Thomas connection are the media. Typical.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17818</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should&#039;nt be a rule in anyones by-laws that prevents a resident from flying an American.  But, if the person moved into a residence that had a rule that stated such and signed on to live there, then thats they&#039;re mistake.
/scawlville.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should'nt be a rule in anyones by-laws that prevents a resident from flying an American.  But, if the person moved into a residence that had a rule that stated such and signed on to live there, then thats they're mistake.<br />
/scawlville.com</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17819</link>
		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be up to the courts to try to enforce the CC&amp;Rs of a private community? Isn&#039;t that normally going to be up to the homeowners to police themselves and each other? 

Most CC&amp;Rs have some sort of unreasonable restrictions, anyway. Some are enforced, some not. There was actually a rule at my mother&#039;s old condo that she could only have white drapes in her dining area, since those windows were by a common walkway. And there was a rule that no one could grill on their patios or balconies--absurd, and unenforceable as a practical matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be up to the courts to try to enforce the CC&#038;Rs of a private community? Isn't that normally going to be up to the homeowners to police themselves and each other? </p>
<p>Most CC&#038;Rs have some sort of unreasonable restrictions, anyway. Some are enforced, some not. There was actually a rule at my mother's old condo that she could only have white drapes in her dining area, since those windows were by a common walkway. And there was a rule that no one could grill on their patios or balconies--absurd, and unenforceable as a practical matter.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17820</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Would it be up to the courts to try to enforce the CC&amp;Rs of a private community? Isn&#039;t that normally going to be up to the homeowners to police themselves and each other?&lt;/i&gt;

And if the person being policed refuses to comply? What recourse does the association have then?

When I lived in Alaska, pretty much every CC&amp;R dispute wound up in court eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Would it be up to the courts to try to enforce the CC&#038;Rs of a private community? Isn't that normally going to be up to the homeowners to police themselves and each other?</i></p>
<p>And if the person being policed refuses to comply? What recourse does the association have then?</p>
<p>When I lived in Alaska, pretty much every CC&#038;R dispute wound up in court eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17821</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my present neighborhood, we have the CC&amp;Rs but no neighborhood association to enforce them. So far nobody has gone so far outside the rules that anyone would complain. Without an association, though, complaints would be futile.

In theory we could band together and reconstitute the association, but if it needed to try to enforce the &lt;i&gt;contractual provisions&lt;/i&gt; that the CC&amp;Rs represent, it would need to get a lawyer and start serving papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my present neighborhood, we have the CC&#038;Rs but no neighborhood association to enforce them. So far nobody has gone so far outside the rules that anyone would complain. Without an association, though, complaints would be futile.</p>
<p>In theory we could band together and reconstitute the association, but if it needed to try to enforce the <i>contractual provisions</i> that the CC&#038;Rs represent, it would need to get a lawyer and start serving papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wallo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17822</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Wallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A homeowner&#039;s association rules are a function of real property law.  Normally, the property was originally owned as a whole and a set of restrictions regarding ownership were established to cover all owners who took title afterward.  That&#039;s frequently the case in retirement communities where people buy a condo or the like.  

The same basic principle applies to easements or other intangible property rights: if I have an easement to cross your land that was established by the prior owner and is recorded, and you take title subject to it, you are bound by the easement. I get to cross your land, even if you don&#039;t want me to.

The same is arguably true here.  Restrictions on what community members can and cannot do - as part of a contract they executed - are normally enforceable in court.  Thus, restrictions on having trucks in the driveway, sofas in the lawn, or flags on the balcony are all probably enforceable, regardless of who one&#039;s son-in-law is.  In one case in Florida I recently encountered, a guy owned the homeowner&#039;s association $150K for attorney&#039;s fees incurred in fighting the guy over having trucks in the yard (he lost, he owed them their fees).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A homeowner's association rules are a function of real property law.  Normally, the property was originally owned as a whole and a set of restrictions regarding ownership were established to cover all owners who took title afterward.  That's frequently the case in retirement communities where people buy a condo or the like.  </p>
<p>The same basic principle applies to easements or other intangible property rights: if I have an easement to cross your land that was established by the prior owner and is recorded, and you take title subject to it, you are bound by the easement. I get to cross your land, even if you don't want me to.</p>
<p>The same is arguably true here.  Restrictions on what community members can and cannot do - as part of a contract they executed - are normally enforceable in court.  Thus, restrictions on having trucks in the driveway, sofas in the lawn, or flags on the balcony are all probably enforceable, regardless of who one's son-in-law is.  In one case in Florida I recently encountered, a guy owned the homeowner's association $150K for attorney's fees incurred in fighting the guy over having trucks in the yard (he lost, he owed them their fees).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how superficial and incomplete the media (print, radio, and TV) was regarding this incident.

What they did not mention is that the policy was established by a Board elected by the residents and the residents have the right to elect others.

The Board didn&#039;t want the place to look like a frat house and they struggled with issues such as Confederate flags and, heaven forbid, an Oklahoma windsock in the Cornhusker state.  

The other thing that the media overlooked is that the facility prominently displays, at two different entrances, large American flags which have spotlights on them at night.  

On eleven holidays, they display over 25 American flags during the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's amazing how superficial and incomplete the media (print, radio, and TV) was regarding this incident.</p>
<p>What they did not mention is that the policy was established by a Board elected by the residents and the residents have the right to elect others.</p>
<p>The Board didn't want the place to look like a frat house and they struggled with issues such as Confederate flags and, heaven forbid, an Oklahoma windsock in the Cornhusker state.  </p>
<p>The other thing that the media overlooked is that the facility prominently displays, at two different entrances, large American flags which have spotlights on them at night.  </p>
<p>On eleven holidays, they display over 25 American flags during the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Read My Lips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/clarence_thomas_family_flag_flap/comment-page-1/#comment-17824</link>
		<dc:creator>Read My Lips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Aren&#039;t Saturday&#039;s on the Blogosphere mostly about a lot of nuthin&#039;&lt;/strong&gt;
While I was awaitin&#039; additional Carnival submissions, I thought I would take a stroll through the blogroll and see what was new in the Blogosphere. Well, first off, I find someone named Pete postin&#039; over on Jennifer&#039;s blog, but after...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Aren't Saturday's on the Blogosphere mostly about a lot of nuthin'</strong><br />
While I was awaitin' additional Carnival submissions, I thought I would take a stroll through the blogroll and see what was new in the Blogosphere. Well, first off, I find someone named Pete postin' over on Jennifer's blog, but after...</p>
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