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		<title>By: INDC Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38034</link>
		<dc:creator>INDC Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Agitator</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38032</link>
		<dc:creator>The Agitator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Not a Police State&lt;/strong&gt;
The Dept. of Homeland Security has ordered legal, non-criminal immigrants in eight U.S. cities to wear electronic ankle bracelets for...</description>
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The Dept. of Homeland Security has ordered legal, non-criminal immigrants in eight U.S. cities to wear electronic ankle bracelets for...</p>
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		<title>By: Myopic Zeal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38029</link>
		<dc:creator>Myopic Zeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;DHS: Putting Ankle Bracelets on 1,700 Immigrants &lt;/strong&gt;
NPR: 

The Department of Homeland Security is experimenting with a controversial new method to keep better track of immigrants who are applying to remain in the United States. It is requiring aliens in eight cities to wear electronic monitors 24 hour...</description>
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<p>The Department of Homeland Security is experimenting with a controversial new method to keep better track of immigrants who are applying to remain in the United States. It is requiring aliens in eight cities to wear electronic monitors 24 hour...</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38023</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Sidebar articles are not the source article.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Translation:  You can only read that part of the link I want you to read, and nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Sidebar articles are not the source article.</p></blockquote>
<p>Translation:  You can only read that part of the link I want you to read, and nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38022</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan,

Where did I say that they were all illegal immigrants?  (Hint:  I didn&#039;t.)  So this issue of what is and is not an illegal immigrant is a strawman and a red herring.  Finally, you are pretty much accepting my claims that  these people are not your average run of the mill immigrant.  

Further your focusing on a single individual is misleading.  Sure, some of teh people in this kind of a situation do not &quot;disappear&quot;.  I&#039;ve admitted to this fact.  So pointing it out as if it is some sort of argument against what I have written is just incoherent nonsense.  This is like noticing a head outcome from flipping a coin 100 times and then saying the coin only comes up heads.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sidebar articles are not the source article. They did not even relate to this particular monitoring program now in effect in 8 cities on 1,700 immigrants.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do you know Jeralyn?  Do you have a secret source you aren&#039;t sharing with us?  Have you called somebody or are you just making stuff up to fit your position?

&lt;blockquote&gt;The source article referenced in TalkLeft said exactly what I said it didâthat these 1700 had not been charged with crimes and are awaiting action on petitions to remain in the U.S.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, and further digging at the link you provided and a few minutes googling suggests quite strongly that most if not all of them are in the middle of removal procedings.  If you don&#039;t know for sure they aren&#039;t and given all the other evidence suggesting this is what the program is, then you should have the integrity to present such information and not hide behind rhetorical bravo sierra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan,</p>
<p>Where did I say that they were all illegal immigrants?  (Hint:  I didn't.)  So this issue of what is and is not an illegal immigrant is a strawman and a red herring.  Finally, you are pretty much accepting my claims that  these people are not your average run of the mill immigrant.  </p>
<p>Further your focusing on a single individual is misleading.  Sure, some of teh people in this kind of a situation do not "disappear".  I've admitted to this fact.  So pointing it out as if it is some sort of argument against what I have written is just incoherent nonsense.  This is like noticing a head outcome from flipping a coin 100 times and then saying the coin only comes up heads.</p>
<blockquote><p>Sidebar articles are not the source article. They did not even relate to this particular monitoring program now in effect in 8 cities on 1,700 immigrants.</p></blockquote>
<p>How do you know Jeralyn?  Do you have a secret source you aren't sharing with us?  Have you called somebody or are you just making stuff up to fit your position?</p>
<blockquote><p>The source article referenced in TalkLeft said exactly what I said it didâthat these 1700 had not been charged with crimes and are awaiting action on petitions to remain in the U.S.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and further digging at the link you provided and a few minutes googling suggests quite strongly that most if not all of them are in the middle of removal procedings.  If you don't know for sure they aren't and given all the other evidence suggesting this is what the program is, then you should have the integrity to present such information and not hide behind rhetorical bravo sierra.</p>
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		<title>By: TalkLeft</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38021</link>
		<dc:creator>TalkLeft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sidebar articles are not the source article.  They did not even relate to this particular monitoring program now in effect in 8 cities on 1,700 immigrants. The source article referenced in TalkLeft said exactly what I said it did--that these 1700 had not been charged with crimes and are awaiting action on petitions to remain in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sidebar articles are not the source article.  They did not even relate to this particular monitoring program now in effect in 8 cities on 1,700 immigrants. The source article referenced in TalkLeft said exactly what I said it did--that these 1700 had not been charged with crimes and are awaiting action on petitions to remain in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38019</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, just for the record, I don&#039;t think these ankle bracelets are justified for low-risk aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, just for the record, I don't think these ankle bracelets are justified for low-risk aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I&#039;ll overlook the obvious snark about &quot;reading comprehension&quot; to point out that these are not *illegal* aliens. Indeed, it seems that the Washington Times is engaging in semantics here. After all, immigrants who are here and applying for asylum are not *illegal* ESPECIALLY if they are going through all the b.s. hoops that go into *appealing* a deportation order.

The NPR program also pointed out that the statistics that &quot;85-90 percent&quot; of the aliens *fled* is a false statistic. What the report actually said was that those aliens were unaccounted for, whether through bureaucratic bungling (never heard of that with the INS, eh steve?) or through flight. The fact of the matter is that no one knows how many were *flight risks* and how many just slipped through the cracks.

You again failed to address the individual who was profiled in the NPR piece, who had to wear a bracelet after MISSING A MID-DAY CHECKUP BECAUSE HE WAS IN A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS MEETING!

Again, I have no problem with deporting *illegal* aliens, building 20 foot walls at the borders to keep out terrorists, etc., but this doesn&#039;t sound like that at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I'll overlook the obvious snark about "reading comprehension" to point out that these are not *illegal* aliens. Indeed, it seems that the Washington Times is engaging in semantics here. After all, immigrants who are here and applying for asylum are not *illegal* ESPECIALLY if they are going through all the b.s. hoops that go into *appealing* a deportation order.</p>
<p>The NPR program also pointed out that the statistics that "85-90 percent" of the aliens *fled* is a false statistic. What the report actually said was that those aliens were unaccounted for, whether through bureaucratic bungling (never heard of that with the INS, eh steve?) or through flight. The fact of the matter is that no one knows how many were *flight risks* and how many just slipped through the cracks.</p>
<p>You again failed to address the individual who was profiled in the NPR piece, who had to wear a bracelet after MISSING A MID-DAY CHECKUP BECAUSE HE WAS IN A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS MEETING!</p>
<p>Again, I have no problem with deporting *illegal* aliens, building 20 foot walls at the borders to keep out terrorists, etc., but this doesn't sound like that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 05:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way bryan if you actually take the time to...you know...read my post you&#039;ll see I&#039;m not advocating for or against this policy.  What I am pointing out is that Drum and Merrit have presented a distorted picture of this program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way bryan if you actually take the time to...you know...read my post you'll see I'm not advocating for or against this policy.  What I am pointing out is that Drum and Merrit have presented a distorted picture of this program.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38015</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 05:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bryan,

I didn&#039;t claim they were all illegal aliens.  I think you need to do something about that reading comprehension problem.

Oh and TalkLeft endorsed the ankle bracelets not too long ago.  See the link in the second update.

Don&#039;t you just love the irony?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bryan,</p>
<p>I didn't claim they were all illegal aliens.  I think you need to do something about that reading comprehension problem.</p>
<p>Oh and TalkLeft endorsed the ankle bracelets not too long ago.  See the link in the second update.</p>
<p>Don't you just love the irony?</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38014</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 05:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But these are all individuals who are likely to disappear at the first chance they get. Many are seeking asylum (i.e. they fear something bad happening to them if they go back), are criminals, are illegal immigrants, etc.&lt;/em&gt;

Actually, that&#039;s a claim without backing. If they are *appealing* a deportation order, they are hardly *illegal,* considering they are participating in the *legal* process. The particular individual in the NPR piece was neither a criminal, nor an illegal, nor a flight risk (since he owns a home and is employed as an assistant manager of a restaurant).

Your justification sounds more lame the farther you dig.

And this is as a social conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But these are all individuals who are likely to disappear at the first chance they get. Many are seeking asylum (i.e. they fear something bad happening to them if they go back), are criminals, are illegal immigrants, etc.</em></p>
<p>Actually, that's a claim without backing. If they are *appealing* a deportation order, they are hardly *illegal,* considering they are participating in the *legal* process. The particular individual in the NPR piece was neither a criminal, nor an illegal, nor a flight risk (since he owns a home and is employed as an assistant manager of a restaurant).</p>
<p>Your justification sounds more lame the farther you dig.</p>
<p>And this is as a social conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38011</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 04:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read the source article, did you?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sarah Barry fled Liberia&#039;s civil war in the early 1990s. She&#039;s now awaiting a decision on &lt;b&gt;her appeal of a government deportation order&lt;/b&gt;.--emphasis added&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure some of the people will be allowed to stay, I&#039;m  sure and probably have the anklets removed.

It is funny how some on the Left decry INS and HS failure to monitor aliens who have temporary visas then there is this kind of criticism of a program to monitor people in removal proceedings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read the source article, did you?</p>
<blockquote><p>Sarah Barry fled Liberia's civil war in the early 1990s. She's now awaiting a decision on <b>her appeal of a government deportation order</b>.--emphasis added</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure some of the people will be allowed to stay, I'm  sure and probably have the anklets removed.</p>
<p>It is funny how some on the Left decry INS and HS failure to monitor aliens who have temporary visas then there is this kind of criticism of a program to monitor people in removal proceedings.</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 04:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTB doesn&#039;t have to, it&#039;s TalkLeft that has the foot in mouth.  On the NPR page, there&#039;s an &quot;Alternatives to Anklets&quot; link from the Vera Institute:

&quot;In 1996, the Immigration and Naturalization Service asked Vera to establish a supervised release project for people &lt;b&gt;in removal proceedings&lt;/b&gt; in New York City.&quot;

http://www.vera.org/publications/publications_5.asp?publication_id=12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTB doesn't have to, it's TalkLeft that has the foot in mouth.  On the NPR page, there's an "Alternatives to Anklets" link from the Vera Institute:</p>
<p>"In 1996, the Immigration and Naturalization Service asked Vera to establish a supervised release project for people <b>in removal proceedings</b> in New York City."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vera.org/publications/publications_5.asp?publication_id=12" rel="nofollow">http://www.vera.org/publications/publications_5.asp?publication_id=12</a></p>
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		<title>By: rowrbazzle</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/click_the_link_indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-38006</link>
		<dc:creator>rowrbazzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTB- you can take your foot out of your mouth now.</description>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This program was part of an NPR story today:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4519090

I find it hard to support such a program - unless the only other option is prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This program was part of an NPR story today:<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4519090" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4519090</a></p>
<p>I find it hard to support such a program - unless the only other option is prison.</p>
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