Posted by The Unabrewer: Read the link on the word "Hillary". She criticizes Bush while defending her husband. She didn't have to lobby for the pardons herself in order to be a hypocrite.

I just read the link and agree is does support your point. Here's a summary quote from the link:

Her husband's pardons, issued in the closing hours of his presidency, were simply routine exercise in the use of the pardon power, and none were aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy, she said.

I guess the question is: do you all think she must either be completely for or completely against all pardons in order to not be hypocritical? Or is it OK to make a distinction like she does?

The only issue here is why a three judge panel appelae panel wouldn't leave Libbey out on bail while his appeal was processed.

That's an easy one, though it truly is not the only issue. The panel did not believe he had sufficient grounds for appeal and saw no reason to delay his sentence.

Do you have any evidence that Hillary is being hypocritical here?

Read the link on the word "Hillary". She criticizes Bush while defending her husband. She didn't have to lobby for the pardons herself in order to be a hypocrite.

The only issue here is why a three judge panel appelae panel wouldn't leave Libbey out on bail while his appeal was processed.

And Libby isn’t even a relative or a major donor.

No, he was just Special Adviser to the President and Chief of Staff to the Vice President.

Besides, do you really want to justify George W. Bush's actions by comparing them to those of President Clinton? That's kind of like saying that what Jeffrey Dahmer did was okay because Charles Manson did something similar before him.

Y'all need to learn to stand by your man and not be constantly comparing him to Clinton. They are not comparable entities.

I guess when Hillary! "points with pride" to the accomplishments of the Clinton Administration

She can use the accomplishments of the Clinton Administration as examples of how she would govern.

She can use things in which she was personally involved (i.e. failed Health care reform) as examples of her contributions.

I don't think she gets to claim every success of the Clinton administration as her own. Nor do I think she has to own every failure.

Hillary not involved? Please.

You are just making an assumption. Maybe you are right, maybe not.

If you have any evidence she was involved in the Marc Rich affair, I'd be happy to read it.

I guess when Hillary! "points with pride" to the accomplishments of the Clinton Administration and expresses or implies that you should vote for her because she can be counted on to continue the good times, you acknowledge the problems with that approach.

MarkT, think again. Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid...

If you want to address my point, I will be happy to listen. But you have not done so.

I pointed out that Bill is not the same person as Hillary and asked for something that showed Hillary being hypocritical.

You respond by trying to tie in her brother. That's not relevant unless you show me Hillary's role. Did she work with her brother on the case? Did she get paid? Otherwise you've got nothing.

Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid tens of thousands of dollars in his successful bid to win pardons for a businessman under investigation for money laundering and a commutation for a convicted drug trafficker. Her other brother, Tony, lobbied successfully for clemency on behalf of a couple convicted of bank fraud.

You may have a decent case to criticize Bill with "but Bill Clinton did it too", but I'm not sure it is fair to lump in Hillary.

he judicial decision in this case was entirely political

The decisions in this case were made by Republicans.

The justice department leaders, Fitzgerald, the judge, etc. were all Republicans and/or Republican appointees, right?