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	<title>Comments on: Federal Judge Strikes Down Intelligent Design Teaching</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68851</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These judges show their not intellegent just mindless blabbering idiots&quot;

Oh come on. Are you for real? Labelling them as idiots and you can&#039;t even spell intelligent, even when this board comes with a spell checker!

I can&#039;t believe somebody who follows ID would be incapable even of spelling it! 

It&#039;s not someone pretending just for a lark is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"These judges show their not intellegent just mindless blabbering idiots"</p>
<p>Oh come on. Are you for real? Labelling them as idiots and you can't even spell intelligent, even when this board comes with a spell checker!</p>
<p>I can't believe somebody who follows ID would be incapable even of spelling it! </p>
<p>It's not someone pretending just for a lark is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce -- Harper Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68818</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce -- Harper Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates. At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science &lt;em&gt;[sic]&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t relax yet.  Precisely because there will be no appeal, this ruling applies only to Judge Jones&#039; district in the federal court system.  It sets a precedent, but the other courts aren&#039;t required to follow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates. At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science <em>[sic]</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don't relax yet.  Precisely because there will be no appeal, this ruling applies only to Judge Jones' district in the federal court system.  It sets a precedent, but the other courts aren't required to follow it.</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68761</link>
		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Man, spelling flames are lame, ICallMasICM.&#039;

It was a joke - school requirements - spelling and ummm...my name is spelled correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'Man, spelling flames are lame, ICallMasICM.'</p>
<p>It was a joke - school requirements - spelling and ummm...my name is spelled correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if we&#039;re going to talk spelling, it&#039;s &quot;pseudo.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if we're going to talk spelling, it's "pseudo."</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68754</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;âwoldâ âendorssed relgionâ

youâre in trouble.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Man, spelling flames are lame, &lt;a href=&quot;http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grammarian.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ICallMasICM&lt;/a&gt;.

If that is all you got, YHL.

HAND.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>âwoldâ âendorssed relgionâ</p>
<p>youâre in trouble.</p></blockquote>
<p>Man, spelling flames are lame, <a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grammarian.htm" rel="nofollow">ICallMasICM</a>.</p>
<p>If that is all you got, YHL.</p>
<p>HAND.</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68749</link>
		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;that a reasonable student or adult wold conclude the Dover policy endorssed relgion. &#039;

&#039;That ID is religion, junk science and bad educational policy is extremely clear.&#039;

It can be all those things and more but it doesn&#039;t establish religion and a reasonable person can see that. If the school requires spelling and vocabulary

&#039;wold&#039; &#039;endorssed relgion&#039;

you&#039;re in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'that a reasonable student or adult wold conclude the Dover policy endorssed relgion. '</p>
<p>'That ID is religion, junk science and bad educational policy is extremely clear.'</p>
<p>It can be all those things and more but it doesn't establish religion and a reasonable person can see that. If the school requires spelling and vocabulary</p>
<p>'wold' 'endorssed relgion'</p>
<p>you're in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68748</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psuedo-math?

ICallM,

The judge was very, very thorough in his decision.  He addressed the religious nature of ID (it actually is an argument that goes back over 600 years to Thomas Aquinas), that ID is not science, that a reasonable student or adult wold conclude the Dover policy endorssed relgion.  The judge looked at quotes by prominent ID proponents such as Behe, Dembski, etc.  That ID is religion, junk science and bad educational policy is extremely clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psuedo-math?</p>
<p>ICallM,</p>
<p>The judge was very, very thorough in his decision.  He addressed the religious nature of ID (it actually is an argument that goes back over 600 years to Thomas Aquinas), that ID is not science, that a reasonable student or adult wold conclude the Dover policy endorssed relgion.  The judge looked at quotes by prominent ID proponents such as Behe, Dembski, etc.  That ID is religion, junk science and bad educational policy is extremely clear.</p>
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		<title>By: The Moderate Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68747</link>
		<dc:creator>The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Judge Says  &quot;Intelligent Design&quot; Not Smart In PA Classrooms&lt;/strong&gt;

A judge doesn&#039;t think mentioning &quot;intelligent design&quot; in Pennsylvania classrooms is a smart thing to do &#8212; and he has ruled banned it in a major legal ruling:...</description>
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<p>A judge doesn't think mentioning "intelligent design" in Pennsylvania classrooms is a smart thing to do &mdash; and he has ruled banned it in a major legal ruling:...</p>
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		<title>By: CALIFORNIA  YANKEE</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68745</link>
		<dc:creator>CALIFORNIA  YANKEE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&#039;Intelligent Design&#039; Banned In Pennsylvania&lt;/strong&gt;

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III has ruled that the teaching of &#039;Intelligent Design&#039; is unconstitutional. According to the Associated Press, the school board&#039;s claim that they were seeking to improve science education by exposing students to al...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>'Intelligent Design' Banned In Pennsylvania</strong></p>
<p>U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III has ruled that the teaching of 'Intelligent Design' is unconstitutional. According to the Associated Press, the school board's claim that they were seeking to improve science education by exposing students to al...</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68741</link>
		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates. At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science.&#039;

At least in my kids schools they teach literacy in &#039;literacy arts&#039; class and pseudo-science in science class.

&#039;Whether the Framers intended that interpretation, let alone would have applied âCongress shall make no lawâ¦â to a local school board, is another question. (The short answer is No.) But this is very much settled law at this point.&#039;

Wha...? I agree that it&#039;s settled that it doesn&#039;t establish religion and that it&#039;s not the framers intention to have the courts dictate the school curriculum. But aren&#039;t judges supposed to come up with an actual valid reason that this somehow applies to their role or something like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates. At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science.'</p>
<p>At least in my kids schools they teach literacy in 'literacy arts' class and pseudo-science in science class.</p>
<p>'Whether the Framers intended that interpretation, let alone would have applied âCongress shall make no lawâ¦â to a local school board, is another question. (The short answer is No.) But this is very much settled law at this point.'</p>
<p>Wha...? I agree that it's settled that it doesn't establish religion and that it's not the framers intention to have the courts dictate the school curriculum. But aren't judges supposed to come up with an actual valid reason that this somehow applies to their role or something like that?</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right -- instead they can concentrate on teaching pseudo-math, pseudo-history, and pseudo-civics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right -- instead they can concentrate on teaching pseudo-math, pseudo-history, and pseudo-civics.</p>
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		<title>By: Fersboo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68724</link>
		<dc:creator>Fersboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Steve Verdon wrote:&lt;/strong&gt; 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates. At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Yeah, no sense adding another psuedo-science to the countless ones used and taught currently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Steve Verdon wrote:</strong> </p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates. At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, no sense adding another psuedo-science to the countless ones used and taught currently.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two quotes from the end of &lt;a href=&quot;http://legalaffairs.org/howappealing/kitzmiller_342.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the 139-page op&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. * * *

Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a
constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. The breathtaking inanity of the Boardâs decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ka-CHING! as they used to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two quotes from the end of <a href="http://legalaffairs.org/howappealing/kitzmiller_342.pdf" rel="nofollow">the 139-page op</a>:<br />
<blockquote>The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. * * *</p>
<p>Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a<br />
constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. The breathtaking inanity of the Boardâs decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ka-CHING! as they used to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cnncom_-_court_no_intelligent_design_in_class_-_dec_20_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-68720</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD,

Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates.  At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD,</p>
<p>Maybe now we can focus on the climbing illiteracy rates.  At least now we wont be wasting our time with psuedo-science.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least we don&#039;t have to worry about climbing illiteracy rates...  Oh, wait a sec...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least we don't have to worry about climbing illiteracy rates...  Oh, wait a sec...</p>
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