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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/coaching_salaries_at_american_universities/comment-page-1/#comment-518562</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few facts to think about. 

Most schools lose money on football.  Les than 20 schools make enough money to pay for the entire athletic department.  If capital costs like arenas and stadium were included, no university would make money on sports. 

The head football coach is usually not an employee of the University but is really a contractor hired by the athletic foundation, a separate not-for-profit corporation set up to handle the money for the athletic department.  How else do you think Notre Dame could fire Ty Willingham without the President of Notre Dame being involved. 

The graph compares salary with compensation packages.  Most coaches get a compensation package that include summer camps, advertisements, endorsements, and media appearances (being paid for the coaches show and doing the banquet circuit.  

If you are going to look at non-tenure track professors, the compassion should be with assistant coaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few facts to think about. </p>
<p>Most schools lose money on football.  Les than 20 schools make enough money to pay for the entire athletic department.  If capital costs like arenas and stadium were included, no university would make money on sports. </p>
<p>The head football coach is usually not an employee of the University but is really a contractor hired by the athletic foundation, a separate not-for-profit corporation set up to handle the money for the athletic department.  How else do you think Notre Dame could fire Ty Willingham without the President of Notre Dame being involved. </p>
<p>The graph compares salary with compensation packages.  Most coaches get a compensation package that include summer camps, advertisements, endorsements, and media appearances (being paid for the coaches show and doing the banquet circuit.  </p>
<p>If you are going to look at non-tenure track professors, the compassion should be with assistant coaches.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What a liberal you have to be to even post this! 

Plus, I can&#039;t believe so many professors even make so much!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given that you&#039;ve obviously never heard a professor speak, I&#039;m not surprised at you disbelief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What a liberal you have to be to even post this! </p>
<p>Plus, I can't believe so many professors even make so much!</p></blockquote>
<p>Given that you've obviously never heard a professor speak, I'm not surprised at you disbelief.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a liberal you have to be to even post this!  

Plus, I can&#039;t believe so many professors even make so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a liberal you have to be to even post this!  </p>
<p>Plus, I can't believe so many professors even make so much!</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Indeed, the Saban piece has proven prescient, in that he has, in less than eighteen months, transformed Alabama’s program from a washed-up relic into a national championship contender.  Given what that can mean for the institution, he’s underpaid at $4 million.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Until he blows out of there for the next gig in a year or two....but point taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Indeed, the Saban piece has proven prescient, in that he has, in less than eighteen months, transformed Alabama&rsquo;s program from a washed-up relic into a national championship contender.  Given what that can mean for the institution, he&rsquo;s underpaid at $4 million.</p></blockquote>
<p>Until he blows out of there for the next gig in a year or two....but point taken.</p>
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		<title>By: capital L</title>
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		<dc:creator>capital L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the fact that the people that loudly demand successful athletic programs are typically students and alumni.  Oh those boorish proles and their desires.  &lt;em&gt;We can&#039;t be having with that!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention the fact that the people that loudly demand successful athletic programs are typically students and alumni.  Oh those boorish proles and their desires.  <em>We can't be having with that!</em></p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing to see here, someone else opposed to people making free choices wants the authority to determine what other people should make, because their hearts and motives are purer, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing to see here, someone else opposed to people making free choices wants the authority to determine what other people should make, because their hearts and motives are purer, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/coaching_salaries_at_american_universities/comment-page-1/#comment-518453</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The salaries quoted are proportional to the revenues that can be attributed them and by that guideline the salaries are probably about right on relative terms.  Football coaches bring in a lot of money&#8212;more than college presidents (whose primary job is fundraising).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The salaries quoted are proportional to the revenues that can be attributed them and by that guideline the salaries are probably about right on relative terms.  Football coaches bring in a lot of money&mdash;more than college presidents (whose primary job is fundraising).</p>
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		<title>By: Herb Ely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb Ely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of the time when they asked Babe Ruth why he should earn more than the President. He said something like this - why not? I had a better year than he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm reminded of the time when they asked Babe Ruth why he should earn more than the President. He said something like this - why not? I had a better year than he did.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they bring in the bucks... which helps &quot;uderwrite&quot; the institution... which helps &quot;underwrite&quot; the education of their students... As Deep Throat said, &quot;Follow the money.&quot;

But as Eneils quoted:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We are using them, then putting them out into the world without degrees where doing the forty in 4.5 is useless.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sometimes, it just don&#039;t make any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they bring in the bucks... which helps "uderwrite" the institution... which helps "underwrite" the education of their students... As Deep Throat said, "Follow the money."</p>
<p>But as Eneils quoted:</p>
<blockquote><p>"We are using them, then putting them out into the world without degrees where doing the forty in 4.5 is useless."</p></blockquote>
<p>Sometimes, it just don't make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneils Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eneils Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, I remember a little known football coach from a small school making the following statement before he resigned.

&quot;I am coaching kids with the greatest football talents in the world. They can do anything in the world with a football except writing a simple declarative sentence on it. But, they keep showing up in my office with grades I know that did not earn. We are using them, then putting them out into the world without degrees where doing the forty in 4.5 is useless.&quot;

That&#039;s paraphrasing, to the best of my memory.

I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, I remember a little known football coach from a small school making the following statement before he resigned.</p>
<p>"I am coaching kids with the greatest football talents in the world. They can do anything in the world with a football except writing a simple declarative sentence on it. But, they keep showing up in my office with grades I know that did not earn. We are using them, then putting them out into the world without degrees where doing the forty in 4.5 is useless."</p>
<p>That's paraphrasing, to the best of my memory.</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;while professors who perform acts genuinely valuable to the mission of the college get stiffed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think you misunderstand the mission of 99.9%+ of the universities... to raise revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>while professors who perform acts genuinely valuable to the mission of the college get stiffed.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you misunderstand the mission of 99.9%+ of the universities... to raise revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;don&#039;t want my tax dollars to be used to subsidize college football.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As the linked article notes, football programs are independently funded and bring in enormous revenues for top schools.  Saban isn&#039;t being paid for with tax money, let alone federal tax money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>don't want my tax dollars to be used to subsidize college football.</p></blockquote>
<p>As the linked article notes, football programs are independently funded and bring in enormous revenues for top schools.  Saban isn't being paid for with tax money, let alone federal tax money.</p>
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		<title>By: glasnost</title>
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		<dc:creator>glasnost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thing should be privatized. Grant athletic departments separate land and independent financing arms. Let them whip up their own donations directly... sell advertising spaces on uniforms.. whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing should be privatized. Grant athletic departments separate land and independent financing arms. Let them whip up their own donations directly... sell advertising spaces on uniforms.. whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: glasnost</title>
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		<dc:creator>glasnost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this satire?

Conversely, there are only 128-odd Division I head football coaching jobs. 

So what? There are only 128 University President Jobs at Division I colleges.

 Luring one of the handful of them who is a proven winner can make a huge difference. 

A huge difference to WHAT? to how many games the football team wins? Some of these universities receive federal tax money! Thank you, I don&#039;t want my tax dollars to be used to subsidize college football.

The point of the graph is that subsidized universities plow billions of dollars into pointless, yet popular activities while professors who perform acts genuinely valuable to the mission of the college get stiffed.

No, I&#039;m not a professor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this satire?</p>
<p>Conversely, there are only 128-odd Division I head football coaching jobs. </p>
<p>So what? There are only 128 University President Jobs at Division I colleges.</p>
<p> Luring one of the handful of them who is a proven winner can make a huge difference. </p>
<p>A huge difference to WHAT? to how many games the football team wins? Some of these universities receive federal tax money! Thank you, I don't want my tax dollars to be used to subsidize college football.</p>
<p>The point of the graph is that subsidized universities plow billions of dollars into pointless, yet popular activities while professors who perform acts genuinely valuable to the mission of the college get stiffed.</p>
<p>No, I'm not a professor.</p>
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		<title>By: drjjoyner (James Joyner)</title>
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		<dc:creator>drjjoyner (James Joyner)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 04:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coaching Salaries at American Universities: The folks at Piled Higher and Deeper reflect on the distrib.. http://tinyurl.com/63e4zw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coaching Salaries at American Universities: The folks at Piled Higher and Deeper reflect on the distrib.. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/63e4zw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/63e4zw</a></p>
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