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		<title>By: Ahmed Mohamed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed Mohamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are Asians everywhere on my campus. And they are so humorless. Work, work, work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are Asians everywhere on my campus. And they are so humorless. Work, work, work...</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/colleges_discriminate_against_asians/comment-page-1/#comment-1041885</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 22:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, lets call it old news then that some clueless people need to be informed of. A casual glance of admissions at UCs and grades/GPAs by race would show that there was indeed discrimination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I notice the line above is &quot;Matt Yglesias is stunned and rightly appalled&quot;, but I don&#039;t see any stunnage in the original piece.

I see it more as a reminder of where we are (&quot;But the fact itself is genuinely remarkable.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, lets call it old news then that some clueless people need to be informed of. A casual glance of admissions at UCs and grades/GPAs by race would show that there was indeed discrimination.</p></blockquote>
<p>I notice the line above is "Matt Yglesias is stunned and rightly appalled", but I don't see any stunnage in the original piece.</p>
<p>I see it more as a reminder of where we are ("But the fact itself is genuinely remarkable.")</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 22:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many sources have told that the reason they limit the Asians....is every year they could fill the entire student body with Asians that were all more qualified than any of the other applicants and have some left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many sources have told that the reason they limit the Asians....is every year they could fill the entire student body with Asians that were all more qualified than any of the other applicants and have some left.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

No news here, I went to UCLA, and I still live in California.  Prop 209 was on the ballot in 1996 and I recall that the projection would be it would raise the number of asians on UC campuses.  So your numbers seem to fit with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>No news here, I went to UCLA, and I still live in California.  Prop 209 was on the ballot in 1996 and I recall that the projection would be it would raise the number of asians on UC campuses.  So your numbers seem to fit with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/colleges_discriminate_against_asians/comment-page-1/#comment-1041764</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, this is to disprove there&#039;s anti-asian discrimination?

I wuld think the Michigan case would have brought this practice to an end, long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, this is to disprove there's anti-asian discrimination?</p>
<p>I wuld think the Michigan case would have brought this practice to an end, long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you click this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goldsea.com/AAU/aau.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; at the page cited, you&#039;ll find this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;UCLA: No 1 Asian American U 

UC Berkeley: No 2 Asian American U 

UC Irvine: No 3 Asian American U 

UC Davis: No 4 Asian American U 

UC San Diego: No 5 Asian American U&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you click this <a href="http://www.goldsea.com/AAU/aau.html" rel="nofollow">link</a> at the page cited, you'll find this:</p>
<blockquote><p>UCLA: No 1 Asian American U </p>
<p>UC Berkeley: No 2 Asian American U </p>
<p>UC Irvine: No 3 Asian American U </p>
<p>UC Davis: No 4 Asian American U </p>
<p>UC San Diego: No 5 Asian American U</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/colleges_discriminate_against_asians/comment-page-1/#comment-1041752</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Steve V

&lt;blockquote&gt;A casual glance of admissions at UCs and grades/GPAs by race would show that there was indeed discrimination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to gainsay your basic point, with which I agree, well within the 15-year period you refer to, we find this at Berkeley:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Berkeley&#039;s Asian Percentage Jumps to 45.2% &lt;/strong&gt;

The Asian American population at UC Berkeley rose from 41% of total undergraduate enrollment during the 1998-99 academic year to 45.2% for the 1999-2000 school year, putting it even with UCLA for the title of top Asian American University. Whites are 34.7% of UCB&#039;s total undergraduate student population of 22,705. Also enrolled are 8,642 graduate students, bringing UCB&#039;s total student population to 31,347.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goldsea.com/AAU/berkeley_2000.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Steve V</p>
<blockquote><p>A casual glance of admissions at UCs and grades/GPAs by race would show that there was indeed discrimination.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to gainsay your basic point, with which I agree, well within the 15-year period you refer to, we find this at Berkeley:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Berkeley's Asian Percentage Jumps to 45.2% </strong></p>
<p>The Asian American population at UC Berkeley rose from 41% of total undergraduate enrollment during the 1998-99 academic year to 45.2% for the 1999-2000 school year, putting it even with UCLA for the title of top Asian American University. Whites are 34.7% of UCB's total undergraduate student population of 22,705. Also enrolled are 8,642 graduate students, bringing UCB's total student population to 31,347.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.goldsea.com/AAU/berkeley_2000.html" rel="nofollow">Source</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Note to self, Steve will never run a column on something he has known for 15 years ;-)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, lets call it old news then that some clueless people need to be informed of.  A casual glance of admissions at UCs and grades/GPAs by race would show that there was indeed discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Note to self, Steve will never run a column on something he has known for 15 years ;-)</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, lets call it old news then that some clueless people need to be informed of.  A casual glance of admissions at UCs and grades/GPAs by race would show that there was indeed discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is news? I&#039;ve known this for at least 15 years.

Yet more proof that Yglesias is clueless.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Note to self, Steve will never run a column on something he has known for 15 years ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is news? I've known this for at least 15 years.</p>
<p>Yet more proof that Yglesias is clueless.</p></blockquote>
<p>Note to self, Steve will never run a column on something he has known for 15 years ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is news? I&#039;ve known this for at least 15 years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Do I here an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/colleges_discriminate_against_asians/?#comment-1041692&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;echo&lt;/a&gt; in here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is news? I've known this for at least 15 years.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do I here an <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/colleges_discriminate_against_asians/?#comment-1041692" rel="nofollow">echo</a> in here?</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think those Asian college students are a little global competition brought home. Better to step our game, than to just complain.&lt;/blockquote&gt;We rather whine and complain and possibly enact discriminatory policies. For instance, &lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2008/09/lpga-reverses-course-on-english-policy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the LPGA English policy&lt;/a&gt; that was announced last summer and then dropped almost immediately after the uproar it caused. One prominent golf writer said it wasn&#039;t coincidence that the policy&#039;s timing came during a period of Asian domination of the tour.(Few remember that 2007 was hardly  stellar year for Asian players on tour. 4 wins for the whole year)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think those Asian college students are a little global competition brought home. Better to step our game, than to just complain.</p></blockquote>
<p>We rather whine and complain and possibly enact discriminatory policies. For instance, <a href="http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2008/09/lpga-reverses-course-on-english-policy/" rel="nofollow">the LPGA English policy</a> that was announced last summer and then dropped almost immediately after the uproar it caused. One prominent golf writer said it wasn't coincidence that the policy's timing came during a period of Asian domination of the tour.(Few remember that 2007 was hardly  stellar year for Asian players on tour. 4 wins for the whole year)</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ve told you this before ... a woman I work with was scolding her nephew to study harder, when he said &quot;but Auntie, I don&#039;t want to be Asian!&quot;

That cuts on so many levels, that an auntie would think education was her responsibility, and that by age 10 or something her nephew would have figured it all out.

That 20:20 show compared teenagers in the mid-west and in India, how hard they worked, and what their expectations were.  In the west we expect(ed) a certain success just by being here.

I think those Asian college students are a little global competition brought home.  Better to step our game, than to just complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I've told you this before ... a woman I work with was scolding her nephew to study harder, when he said "but Auntie, I don't want to be Asian!"</p>
<p>That cuts on so many levels, that an auntie would think education was her responsibility, and that by age 10 or something her nephew would have figured it all out.</p>
<p>That 20:20 show compared teenagers in the mid-west and in India, how hard they worked, and what their expectations were.  In the west we expect(ed) a certain success just by being here.</p>
<p>I think those Asian college students are a little global competition brought home.  Better to step our game, than to just complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 16:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is news?  I&#039;ve known this for at least 15 years.

Yet more proof that Yglesias is clueless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is news?  I've known this for at least 15 years.</p>
<p>Yet more proof that Yglesias is clueless.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 15:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being denied acceptance to a major university is a good thing, less of a chance of you turning into a liberal elitist/new age Nazi, or a half ass Republican liberal elitist/new age Nazi wannabe in todays intellectual climate of evolutionary stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being denied acceptance to a major university is a good thing, less of a chance of you turning into a liberal elitist/new age Nazi, or a half ass Republican liberal elitist/new age Nazi wannabe in todays intellectual climate of evolutionary stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 15:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended a post-graduate school that prided itself on &quot;looking like America.&quot;  And yeah, it was believed to be harder for Asian-Americans to gain admission because the pool of people with college degrees didn&#039;t &quot;look like America.&quot;

The diversity outcome was strange though.  (And these are certainly generalizations)  The Whites tended to be Jewish, which is sometimes considered a religious or ethnic minority.  The Asian-Americans were mostly first-generation Americans, who had some of the most interesting and often challenging family backgrounds.  The African-Americans tended to be from fairly bourgeoisie backgrounds, with a lot of children of doctors and lawyers among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a post-graduate school that prided itself on "looking like America."  And yeah, it was believed to be harder for Asian-Americans to gain admission because the pool of people with college degrees didn't "look like America."</p>
<p>The diversity outcome was strange though.  (And these are certainly generalizations)  The Whites tended to be Jewish, which is sometimes considered a religious or ethnic minority.  The Asian-Americans were mostly first-generation Americans, who had some of the most interesting and often challenging family backgrounds.  The African-Americans tended to be from fairly bourgeoisie backgrounds, with a lot of children of doctors and lawyers among them.</p>
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