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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/coming_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-541749</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 04:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@skh.pcola,

I read the article, which fails to name even one of the FSOs who supposedly refused orders to deploy.  In fact, it&#039;s a bit weasel-worded, to wit:

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Many U.S. employees have outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq, while others have demanded that they be assigned only to Baghdad and not be sent outside the more secure Green Zone, which includes the American Embassy and Iraqi government ministries.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

Couldn&#039;t you find anything at all more up-to-date than Feb. 2007?

The unnamed employees who&#039;ve &quot;outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq&quot; aren&#039;t identified by agency, just as &quot;U.S. employees&quot;

So much for your attempt to smear FSOs; learn to read bias-media like the IHT a little more closely.  You do know, by the way, who publishes the International Herald Tribune, don&#039;t you?

I&#039;ve covered this media-generated &quot;issue&quot; in the past at my own web log; you can read up on it to your heart&#039;s content there.  Bottom-line:  the media (with moderate-to-great success) attempted to publicize a supposed &quot;rift&quot; between DOS and DoD, stipulating an imaginary &quot;mutiny&quot; of FSOs &quot;refusing&quot; orders to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The truth is less colorful and doesn&#039;t raise as many people&#039;s blood pressure; every FSO job has been filled, year in and year out, and it&#039;s been filled by a volunteer every single time.  And the number of billets has done nothing but go up, as the new embassy has been established, as new PRTs and e-PRTs have been fielded.

You may &lt;strong&gt;kiss&lt;/strong&gt; my &quot;gravitas.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skh.pcola,</p>
<p>I read the article, which fails to name even one of the FSOs who supposedly refused orders to deploy.  In fact, it's a bit weasel-worded, to wit:</p>
<p>"<strong><em>Many U.S. employees have outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq, while others have demanded that they be assigned only to Baghdad and not be sent outside the more secure Green Zone, which includes the American Embassy and Iraqi government ministries.</em></strong>"</p>
<p>Couldn't you find anything at all more up-to-date than Feb. 2007?</p>
<p>The unnamed employees who've "outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq" aren't identified by agency, just as "U.S. employees"</p>
<p>So much for your attempt to smear FSOs; learn to read bias-media like the IHT a little more closely.  You do know, by the way, who publishes the International Herald Tribune, don't you?</p>
<p>I've covered this media-generated "issue" in the past at my own web log; you can read up on it to your heart's content there.  Bottom-line:  the media (with moderate-to-great success) attempted to publicize a supposed "rift" between DOS and DoD, stipulating an imaginary "mutiny" of FSOs "refusing" orders to Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>The truth is less colorful and doesn't raise as many people's blood pressure; every FSO job has been filled, year in and year out, and it's been filled by a volunteer every single time.  And the number of billets has done nothing but go up, as the new embassy has been established, as new PRTs and e-PRTs have been fielded.</p>
<p>You may <strong>kiss</strong> my "gravitas."</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/coming_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-541743</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 04:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@skh.pcola,

I read the article, which fails to name even one of the FSOs who supposedly refused to deploy.  In fact, it&#039;s a bit weasel-worded, to wit:

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Many U.S. employees have outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq, while others have demanded that they be assigned only to Baghdad and not be sent outside the more secure Green Zone, which includes the American Embassy and Iraqi government ministries.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

Couldn&#039;t you find anything at all more up-to-date than Feb. 2007?

The unnamed employees who&#039;ve &quot;outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq&quot; aren&#039;t identified by agency, just as &quot;U.S. employees&quot;

So much for your attempt to smear FSOs; learn to read bias-media like the IHT a little more closely.  You do know, by the way, who publishes the International Herald Tribune, don&#039;t you?

I&#039;ve covered this media-generated &quot;issue&quot; in the past at my own web log; you can read up on it to your heart&#039;s content there.  Bottom-line:  the media (with moderate-to-great success) attempted to publicize a supposed &quot;rift&quot; between DOS and DoD, stipulating an imaginary &quot;mutiny&quot; of FSOs &quot;refusing&quot; order to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The truth is less colorful and doesn&#039;t raise as many people&#039;s blood pressure; every FSO job has been filled, year in and year out, and it&#039;s been filled by a volunteer every single time.  And the number of billets has done nothing but go up, as the new embassy has been established, as new PRTs and e-PRTs have been fielded.

You may &lt;strong&gt;kiss&lt;/strong&gt; my &quot;gravitas.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skh.pcola,</p>
<p>I read the article, which fails to name even one of the FSOs who supposedly refused to deploy.  In fact, it's a bit weasel-worded, to wit:</p>
<p>"<strong><em>Many U.S. employees have outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq, while others have demanded that they be assigned only to Baghdad and not be sent outside the more secure Green Zone, which includes the American Embassy and Iraqi government ministries.</em></strong>"</p>
<p>Couldn't you find anything at all more up-to-date than Feb. 2007?</p>
<p>The unnamed employees who've "outright refused repeated requests that they go to Iraq" aren't identified by agency, just as "U.S. employees"</p>
<p>So much for your attempt to smear FSOs; learn to read bias-media like the IHT a little more closely.  You do know, by the way, who publishes the International Herald Tribune, don't you?</p>
<p>I've covered this media-generated "issue" in the past at my own web log; you can read up on it to your heart's content there.  Bottom-line:  the media (with moderate-to-great success) attempted to publicize a supposed "rift" between DOS and DoD, stipulating an imaginary "mutiny" of FSOs "refusing" order to Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>The truth is less colorful and doesn't raise as many people's blood pressure; every FSO job has been filled, year in and year out, and it's been filled by a volunteer every single time.  And the number of billets has done nothing but go up, as the new embassy has been established, as new PRTs and e-PRTs have been fielded.</p>
<p>You may <strong>kiss</strong> my "gravitas."</p>
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		<title>By: skh.pcola</title>
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		<dc:creator>skh.pcola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 03:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Consul-At-Arms:  Try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/08/africa/web.0208diplo.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; for evidence of FSO and other State Dept. personnel who refused to deploy.

Nice attempt at intellectual and sarcastic gravitas on your part.  Really.  However, your pitiable knowledge of the subject-at-hand is lacking.  Why don&#039;t you try to learn something about what you try to disparage before you show your ignorance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Consul-At-Arms:  Try <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/08/africa/web.0208diplo.php" rel="nofollow">this link</a> for evidence of FSO and other State Dept. personnel who refused to deploy.</p>
<p>Nice attempt at intellectual and sarcastic gravitas on your part.  Really.  However, your pitiable knowledge of the subject-at-hand is lacking.  Why don't you try to learn something about what you try to disparage before you show your ignorance?</p>
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		<title>By: Defense Department takes over Govt by Coup &#124; Task Force Delta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defense Department takes over Govt by Coup &#124; Task Force Delta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner at Outside the Beltway delivers a quality beat down as well. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/coming_military_coup/comment-page-1/#comment-540396</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/12/wp-its-time-to-stop-pentagon-mission.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;linked back to you here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've <a href="http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/12/wp-its-time-to-stop-pentagon-mission.html" rel="nofollow">linked back to you here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: waltj</title>
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		<dc:creator>waltj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an old Washington saying:  &quot;Where you stand depends on where you sit&quot;.  Senior officials--political appointees or career government--have a disconcerting habit of becoming strong advocates for their current agencies, not those they may have worked at previously.  This applies to military officers on detail to civilian agencies, or to civilians working for another government department.  The reason is simple:  that&#039;s how they&#039;re evaluated.  Just think Henry II and Thomas Beckett.   

The military goes into war zones fully armed and ready for combat.  That&#039;s what they do, and do very well.  State Department officers, on the other hand, also go into some very dangerous places, like the PRTs in Iraq and Afghanistan, with much less firepower on call.  It&#039;s not all cookie-pushing and lying in formal wear, nor is it all the Paris-Rome-Vienna &quot;Opera Circuit&quot;, either.  And, as Consul-at-Arms notes, the State guys don&#039;t get a tax break for serving in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, or Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's an old Washington saying:  "Where you stand depends on where you sit".  Senior officials--political appointees or career government--have a disconcerting habit of becoming strong advocates for their current agencies, not those they may have worked at previously.  This applies to military officers on detail to civilian agencies, or to civilians working for another government department.  The reason is simple:  that's how they're evaluated.  Just think Henry II and Thomas Beckett.   </p>
<p>The military goes into war zones fully armed and ready for combat.  That's what they do, and do very well.  State Department officers, on the other hand, also go into some very dangerous places, like the PRTs in Iraq and Afghanistan, with much less firepower on call.  It's not all cookie-pushing and lying in formal wear, nor is it all the Paris-Rome-Vienna "Opera Circuit", either.  And, as Consul-at-Arms notes, the State guys don't get a tax break for serving in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, or Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SGT SKI

&quot;&lt;em&gt;I remember that a lot of State Dept. personnel at first refused to deploy to carry out State&#039;s mission in Iraq, no wonder the military had to take it on for them.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Do you often share your delusions and false memories in public fora?

Every single FSO position in Iraq and Afghanistan, from day one, was filled by a &lt;strong&gt;volunteer&lt;/strong&gt; for that job in that place.

That is still the case.  And they pay their full federal income taxes while they&#039;re doing it.

This has resulted, over the past year, in the State Dept. having to leave unfilled more than ten percent of its total FSO positions worldwide, which means a shortfall in FSO deployments to over 260 posts overseas plus Washington, D.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SGT SKI</p>
<p>"<em>I remember that a lot of State Dept. personnel at first refused to deploy to carry out State's mission in Iraq, no wonder the military had to take it on for them.</em>"</p>
<p>Do you often share your delusions and false memories in public fora?</p>
<p>Every single FSO position in Iraq and Afghanistan, from day one, was filled by a <strong>volunteer</strong> for that job in that place.</p>
<p>That is still the case.  And they pay their full federal income taxes while they're doing it.</p>
<p>This has resulted, over the past year, in the State Dept. having to leave unfilled more than ten percent of its total FSO positions worldwide, which means a shortfall in FSO deployments to over 260 posts overseas plus Washington, D.C.</p>
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		<title>By: charles johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

If it comes down to rule by a draft-dodging liberal elitist like Hussein or a decorated patriot, I take the patriot every time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you voted for John Kerry over GWB?</description>
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<p>If it comes down to rule by a draft-dodging liberal elitist like Hussein or a decorated patriot, I take the patriot every time.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you voted for John Kerry over GWB?</p>
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		<title>By: charles johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t heard talk of a coup in years. Actually, since the 1990&#039;s. Several of my redneck kentucky relatives were of the opinion that Beel Cleenton was so evil and unamerican that the military should assume control of the white house, execute him, and then call a special election. These were the same people who thought he would use Y2k as an excuse to declare martial law and round ordinary citizens up into prison camps ruled by the chinese.

No I&#039;m not kidding. You think I&#039;m kidding? Go to Alex Jones&#039;s website. There are more kooks out there than you think. And they all vote Republican, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven't heard talk of a coup in years. Actually, since the 1990's. Several of my redneck kentucky relatives were of the opinion that Beel Cleenton was so evil and unamerican that the military should assume control of the white house, execute him, and then call a special election. These were the same people who thought he would use Y2k as an excuse to declare martial law and round ordinary citizens up into prison camps ruled by the chinese.</p>
<p>No I'm not kidding. You think I'm kidding? Go to Alex Jones's website. There are more kooks out there than you think. And they all vote Republican, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the WaPo waste time with morons like Schweich? For that matter, if he&#039;s so afraid of a military takeover, shouldn&#039;t he have been more fearful when ex-military men were in the actual hot seat (i.e. the Presidency), and could appoint whoever they want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the WaPo waste time with morons like Schweich? For that matter, if he's so afraid of a military takeover, shouldn't he have been more fearful when ex-military men were in the actual hot seat (i.e. the Presidency), and could appoint whoever they want?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only an eight year veteran, but I do think there are some issues with the military taking over things it should not. Much of this has been because of the lack of State Department input and manpower. Remember the military marching bands vs FSO&#039;s.

     The current administration has also been guilty of lionizing our military, as a means of gaining support for their political goals. The military may have been complicit. There were certainly accusations that the military dragged its feet in response to Clinton, but given the strong Republican bent of the officer class, may have been less critical of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld that they should have been.

   This last issue looks to be changing some. As I have followed publications from the military over the last twenty years or so, I note a recent change in tenor that is more critical of Republican philosophy, especially neocons. 

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only an eight year veteran, but I do think there are some issues with the military taking over things it should not. Much of this has been because of the lack of State Department input and manpower. Remember the military marching bands vs FSO's.</p>
<p>     The current administration has also been guilty of lionizing our military, as a means of gaining support for their political goals. The military may have been complicit. There were certainly accusations that the military dragged its feet in response to Clinton, but given the strong Republican bent of the officer class, may have been less critical of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld that they should have been.</p>
<p>   This last issue looks to be changing some. As I have followed publications from the military over the last twenty years or so, I note a recent change in tenor that is more critical of Republican philosophy, especially neocons. </p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: SFC SKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFC SKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 21 year veteran, I agree that Mr Schweich is definitely incorrect.  
I remember that a lot of State Dept. personnel at first refused to deploy to carry out State&#039;s mission in Iraq, no wonder the military had to take it on for them.  

If State is underfunded, that is not the DoD&#039;s fault.

Stability and security have to be in place before we can move forward, and in a COIN fight, it takes both DoS and Dod personnel to make it happen.

Disqualifying veterans from senior positions in government, sounds a bit discriminatory, I&#039;m sure he supports the troops otherwise, I wonder if he&#039;s familiar with Kipling&#039;s poem &quot;Tommy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 21 year veteran, I agree that Mr Schweich is definitely incorrect.<br />
I remember that a lot of State Dept. personnel at first refused to deploy to carry out State's mission in Iraq, no wonder the military had to take it on for them.  </p>
<p>If State is underfunded, that is not the DoD's fault.</p>
<p>Stability and security have to be in place before we can move forward, and in a COIN fight, it takes both DoS and Dod personnel to make it happen.</p>
<p>Disqualifying veterans from senior positions in government, sounds a bit discriminatory, I'm sure he supports the troops otherwise, I wonder if he's familiar with Kipling's poem "Tommy".</p>
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		<title>By: fredw</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there had been a quiet military coup, the war in Iraq would not have been so screwed up by the civilian leadership.</description>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it comes down to rule by a draft-dodging liberal elitist like Hussein or a decorated patriot, I take the patriot every time.

We need someone to protect us from the Chicago-style corruption that Obama has forced on the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it comes down to rule by a draft-dodging liberal elitist like Hussein or a decorated patriot, I take the patriot every time.</p>
<p>We need someone to protect us from the Chicago-style corruption that Obama has forced on the country.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is crap from folks who don&#039;t understand the military or the folks who serve in it - just a headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is crap from folks who don't understand the military or the folks who serve in it - just a headline.</p>
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