It seemed the last Administration made it very clear that we should "never forget" because 9/11 was the justification for about every civil and human rights violation they committed. This is the first 9/11 under Obama, I'll be curious to see how the next four (8?) 9/11 anniversaries play out, and if the significance becomes lessened, or at least less shoved in our faces.

Well, before we go to writing off the remembrance perhaps we ought to fill in the hole the attack left. Right now we have little but government inefficiency and empty promises which is more a memorial to how the attacks slipped our defenses rather than the dead.

Then, of course, our enemy is still viable and active in the field so remembering also keeps us sharp to the current dangers.

I don't know; I still keep getting invited to a Guy Fawkes party every year by a legal immigrant expatriate friend. That's only been over 400 years.

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

I don't really see anything being "shoved in our faces". It was a terrible day and more terrible for the thousands who lost loved ones.

In hindsight I see our response as measured and reasonable. The claim of civil and human rights abuses are overblown and our country has handled itself with dignity. We didn't kill hundred of Muslims or throw them out of the country. In fact we became more sensitive to other cultures and moved forward as only a great country like ours can.

We didn't kill hundred of Muslims or throw them out of the country. In fact we became more sensitive to other cultures and moved forward as only a great country like ours can.

We also tortured unknown numbers of Muslims and locked up and detained many more, some of whom may or may not be terrorists. We became so sensitive to the fear of terrorist attacks that we moved backwards by practicing activities that no great country like ours should ever practice...

A differing point of view would be we interrogated terrorists and locked many up leading to a safer country. Our realization of the threat brought us to be more cautious.

We have behaved admirably by any objective measure.

Oh yes, that differing point of view that uses the lovely euphemism "interrogation" to describe torture...very admirable...

Steve,

How is invading a sovereign nation that had nothing to do with the attacks against the United States "admirable"?

Observer,

Violating U.N. sanctions was reason enough. A secondary reason of establishing democracy is likely to yield good results. Let's see, who else went into Iraq with us? Yeah there were other countries that went.

I wonder if the Iraqi people are glad we invaded and rid them of Saddam?

AIP,

I'm not posting for your admiration. Bad guys have bad things happen to them when caught. We didn't kill them. We didn't pull out their finger nails. We didn't permanently disfigure them. What we did was put on our big boy pants and let serious men do what needed to be done to save lives. That is admirable.

It wasn't torture but it was damn close. If you are going to draw a line and people get close but don't cross it is that wrong? Are these people at fault for doing something that makes us squeamish? The line drawers are at fault, not those who did the job.

Believe it or not guys most Americans still believe as I do.

And when something like 9/11 happens again but instead of thousands, hundreds of thousands loose their lives, will we continue to play word games about interrogation vs. torture? How many need to die before doing an odious job to protect a far greater number is not necessarily desirable, but neither is it prosecutable? How many need to die at the hands of a zealot before eliminating that zealot is preferable to burying an ever growing pile of caskets?

Thank goodness there remain some that are willing to do what needs to be done to allow the idealists the opportunity to talk in platitudes, live in safety and preach in peace.

And when something like 9/11 happens again but instead of thousands, hundreds of thousands loose their lives, will we continue to play word games about interrogation vs. torture? How many need to die before doing an odious job to protect a far greater number is not necessarily desirable, but neither is it prosecutable? How many need to die at the hands of a zealot before eliminating that zealot is preferable to burying an ever growing pile of caskets?

Except that torture hasn't prevented any attacks, and the fact that the United States tortures Muslims has been used by al-Qaida and others successfully to recruit people ...

Steve,

I wonder if the Iraqi people are glad we invaded and rid them of Saddam?

I take it you don't read Iraqi blogs then. Or notice that the most popular Iraqi politicians are the ones who want Americans to go away.

Spoker,

Thank goodness there remain some that are willing to do what needs to be done to allow the idealists the opportunity to talk in platitudes, live in safety and preach in peace.

Thank goodness? Spoker, in your world, there is no "goodness" -- just utilitarian calculation. No rights, just "greatest happiness for the greatest number." No morality, just "whatever the State says is best." No freedom, just safety.

re: Steve Plunk | September 11, 2009 | 05:00 pm

I could care less why you post, but it is disingenuous to try to whitewash actions taken by our government...and who knew that putting on big boy pants and letting "serious" men do what supposedly had to be done to save lives meant waterboarding people...oh but that's right! Waterboarding doesn't permanently disfigure (well, physically anyway), so I guess it doesn't have to be considered torture!

Believe it or not guys most Americans still believe as I do.

Indeed, fear makes a lot of people believe things they wouldn't otherwise...

Except that torture hasn't prevented any attacks, and the fact that the United States tortures Muslims has been used by al-Qaida and others successfully to recruit people ...

others? lol, you mean liberals to get voters?

Violating U.N. sanctions was reason enough. A secondary reason of establishing democracy is likely to yield good results.

I wonder when the US will invade Israel then...