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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31287</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kappiy, You MAY want to go back and look at what I actually SAID and re-calculate accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kappiy, You MAY want to go back and look at what I actually SAID and re-calculate accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kappiy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31281</link>
		<dc:creator>Kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,  I think rather than an &quot;umbrella,&quot; a better way of understanding the realtionship between these various groups is as a &quot;network&quot; or &quot;web&quot; whereby they may share common aims and sympathetic ideologies, but have distinct--and fluid--organizational structures.  They may engage in short term alliances of convenience and even occacionally tap the same sources of funding; but there is no overarching bureaucratic control by one organization.

Understanding this organizational distinction is essential in devising effective strategies at combating these various groups.  To group them all together obscures the actual conditions of their operation and can lead to inneffective responses.

It leads to flawed thinking--as exhibited by the comment posted by Bithead--whereby my explanation of organizational differences and independence between Laskar Mujahidin and Al Quaeda is somehow interpreted as being indicative of my willingness to &quot;abide these bloodthirsty idiots.&quot;

Without positing any evidence to support his claim, Bithead repeats the false canard that &quot;they&#039;re all the same people.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,  I think rather than an "umbrella," a better way of understanding the realtionship between these various groups is as a "network" or "web" whereby they may share common aims and sympathetic ideologies, but have distinct--and fluid--organizational structures.  They may engage in short term alliances of convenience and even occacionally tap the same sources of funding; but there is no overarching bureaucratic control by one organization.</p>
<p>Understanding this organizational distinction is essential in devising effective strategies at combating these various groups.  To group them all together obscures the actual conditions of their operation and can lead to inneffective responses.</p>
<p>It leads to flawed thinking--as exhibited by the comment posted by Bithead--whereby my explanation of organizational differences and independence between Laskar Mujahidin and Al Quaeda is somehow interpreted as being indicative of my willingness to "abide these bloodthirsty idiots."</p>
<p>Without positing any evidence to support his claim, Bithead repeats the false canard that "they're all the same people."</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31271</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen Kappiy&#039;s reaction in several places, from several different people. They all seem quite wiling to abide these bloodthirsty idiots, so long as they&#039;re operating under the banner of &#039;helping those who need it&#039;.

It makes an interesting contrast to those who complain about faith based aid orgs being &#039;hearts and minds&#039; efforts, here in the states.

And what do you know... for the most part, they&#039;re the same people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've seen Kappiy's reaction in several places, from several different people. They all seem quite wiling to abide these bloodthirsty idiots, so long as they're operating under the banner of 'helping those who need it'.</p>
<p>It makes an interesting contrast to those who complain about faith based aid orgs being 'hearts and minds' efforts, here in the states.</p>
<p>And what do you know... for the most part, they're the same people.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31269</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry!
I meant &quot;social services&quot; like blowing up busses full of school children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry!<br />
I meant "social services" like blowing up busses full of school children.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31261</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kappiy,

Al Qaeda is merely an umbrella some many of which have been around for decades. My understanding is that Osama actually set up various social programs in the Muslim world for &quot;hearts and minds&quot; purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kappiy,</p>
<p>Al Qaeda is merely an umbrella some many of which have been around for decades. My understanding is that Osama actually set up various social programs in the Muslim world for "hearts and minds" purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kappiy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31251</link>
		<dc:creator>Kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, your headline (&quot;Al Qaeda Sets Up Indonesia Relief Camp&quot;) is a bit misleading.  Al Qaeda doesn&#039;t have the capacity to set up any sort of relief operation.  

As the article states, Laskar Mujahidin--who have been active since the late 1990s--set up the camp.  While there have been alleged informal contacts between Laskar Mujahidin and members of Al Qaeda over the past 6 years, they are not the same organization.

The Islamic movement in Indonesia is rather decentralized and often beset by internecine rivalries.  To suggest that Al Qaeda is behind this camp distorts the complex reality of the ties  and simplifies the nature of the Islamisist threat in Indonesia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, your headline ("Al Qaeda Sets Up Indonesia Relief Camp") is a bit misleading.  Al Qaeda doesn't have the capacity to set up any sort of relief operation.  </p>
<p>As the article states, Laskar Mujahidin--who have been active since the late 1990s--set up the camp.  While there have been alleged informal contacts between Laskar Mujahidin and members of Al Qaeda over the past 6 years, they are not the same organization.</p>
<p>The Islamic movement in Indonesia is rather decentralized and often beset by internecine rivalries.  To suggest that Al Qaeda is behind this camp distorts the complex reality of the ties  and simplifies the nature of the Islamisist threat in Indonesia.</p>
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		<title>By: Dummocrats.com</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dummocrats.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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Al Qaeda Sets Up Indonesia Relief Camp</p>
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		<title>By: Timmer</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31240</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All week I&#039;ve heard and read nothing but complaints that Islmamists didn&#039;t seem to be doing anything for their own and now that they are...

Just thought I&#039;d throw it in there before someone else did.  No...not gonna add anything too it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All week I've heard and read nothing but complaints that Islmamists didn't seem to be doing anything for their own and now that they are...</p>
<p>Just thought I'd throw it in there before someone else did.  No...not gonna add anything too it.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31237</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again.  Hamas isn&#039;t Al-Zarqawi.  At least you should get your terrorists straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again.  Hamas isn't Al-Zarqawi.  At least you should get your terrorists straight.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/concern_over_radical_relief_group_-_jan_6_2005/comment-page-1/#comment-31235</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah,&quot;social services&quot; like beheading infidels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,"social services" like beheading infidels.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really surprising.  Many of the &quot;radical&quot; Islamic groups have their roots in providing social services.  Hamas is a prime example.  Their reputation for providing decent food and medical care, and their incorruptibility give them great suppport amongst their base population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really surprising.  Many of the "radical" Islamic groups have their roots in providing social services.  Hamas is a prime example.  Their reputation for providing decent food and medical care, and their incorruptibility give them great suppport amongst their base population.</p>
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