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		<title>By: Confederate Yankee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/congressmen_question_military_officer_as_cia_head/comment-page-1/#comment-81757</link>
		<dc:creator>Confederate Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Spies Like Us...&lt;/strong&gt;

Last Friday afternoon CIA director Porter Goss stepped down from his positionunexpectedly, at least to the mediaand blogs on the let and less responsible mainstream media outlets were quick to surmise an embarrassing scandal must be the proximate c...</description>
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<p>Last Friday afternoon CIA director Porter Goss stepped down from his positionunexpectedly, at least to the mediaand blogs on the let and less responsible mainstream media outlets were quick to surmise an embarrassing scandal must be the proximate c...</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/congressmen_question_military_officer_as_cia_head/comment-page-1/#comment-81748</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 16:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan - Powell was retired.  The issue here is an ACTIVE DUTY officer being the head of the CIA. As James has pointed out, that hasn&#039;t happened since the day of Allen Dulles.  The concern here is a possible conflict of interest as to whom Hayden will see has his boss - Rumsfeld or Negroponte? And what happens when CIA operations or analysis contradicts Pentagon policy or analysis?  Personally I don&#039;t think this is an issue.  Hayden is a very smart guy and a straight shooter, and I think his 4 star rank will protect him from any pressure coming from the Pentagon.  But that&#039;s just my take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan - Powell was retired.  The issue here is an ACTIVE DUTY officer being the head of the CIA. As James has pointed out, that hasn't happened since the day of Allen Dulles.  The concern here is a possible conflict of interest as to whom Hayden will see has his boss - Rumsfeld or Negroponte? And what happens when CIA operations or analysis contradicts Pentagon policy or analysis?  Personally I don't think this is an issue.  Hayden is a very smart guy and a straight shooter, and I think his 4 star rank will protect him from any pressure coming from the Pentagon.  But that's just my take.</p>
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		<title>By: stan25</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 16:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this hot air against the appointment of General Hayden as CIA Director, is just a major pissing contest between the White House and the Congress. The Congress has the idea that with the low approval ratings of the president, they can get away with murder. I hate to break the news to the idiots, that infest the leadership on both sides of the aisle, the American public holds the Congress in even lower esteem. There are some people that have utter contempt for them. 

I donâ��t hear them complaining about appointing military officers to head the State Department. In fact, I think that the Congress critters would like a military man in that position. That is not an unprecedented move either, as there have been several members of the military that have Secretaries of State. The two most recent ones that come to mind are George C Marshall and Colin Powell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this hot air against the appointment of General Hayden as CIA Director, is just a major pissing contest between the White House and the Congress. The Congress has the idea that with the low approval ratings of the president, they can get away with murder. I hate to break the news to the idiots, that infest the leadership on both sides of the aisle, the American public holds the Congress in even lower esteem. There are some people that have utter contempt for them. </p>
<p>I donâ��t hear them complaining about appointing military officers to head the State Department. In fact, I think that the Congress critters would like a military man in that position. That is not an unprecedented move either, as there have been several members of the military that have Secretaries of State. The two most recent ones that come to mind are George C Marshall and Colin Powell</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 15:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George H. W. Bush was also USN (ret), but never achieved flag rank. In fact, it looks like he left the service at the end of World War II as a Lieutenant or Lieutenant Junior Grade.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George H. W. Bush was also USN (ret), but never achieved flag rank. In fact, it looks like he left the service at the end of World War II as a Lieutenant or Lieutenant Junior Grade.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizbang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;President Bush Wants General Hayden as CIA Director...&lt;/strong&gt;

President Bush nominated General Michael Hayden as CIA Director. WASHINGTON -- President Bush on Monday chose Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden to lead the embattled Central Intelligence Agency, re-igniting a debate over the domestic surveillance program t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>President Bush Wants General Hayden as CIA Director...</strong></p>
<p>President Bush nominated General Michael Hayden as CIA Director. WASHINGTON -- President Bush on Monday chose Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden to lead the embattled Central Intelligence Agency, re-igniting a debate over the domestic surveillance program t...</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog:  A Rough Draft of my Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/congressmen_question_military_officer_as_cia_head/comment-page-1/#comment-81725</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliBlog:  A Rough Draft of my Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 04:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Hayden...&lt;/strong&gt;

	As has been reported, there are some concerns about the likely nomination of General Michael Hayden to replace Porter Goss at the CIA.
	For example, Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich) stated today (source:  Key Republicans Wary on CIA Front-Runner on Fox News Su...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Hayden...</strong></p>
<p>	As has been reported, there are some concerns about the likely nomination of General Michael Hayden to replace Porter Goss at the CIA.<br />
	For example, Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich) stated today (source:  Key Republicans Wary on CIA Front-Runner on Fox News Su...</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/congressmen_question_military_officer_as_cia_head/comment-page-1/#comment-81723</link>
		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 03:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I&#039;m not sure your examples support your position... While the first several directors were military, as previously noted, it had only just changed from being the OSS during WWII, so many of its senior officers were military; there wasn&#039;t much civilian staff to choose from.

But if I&#039;m not mistaken, both Raborn and Turner were already retired when they were selected for the job... the last &lt;em&gt;active-duty&lt;/em&gt; officer to run the CIA was Smith, who left &lt;em&gt;over 50 years ago&lt;/em&gt;. Since active duty officers were only directors for the first 7 years of an organization that&#039;s been around (in this incarnation, anyway) for over 60 years, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much in the way of precedent for a uniform-wearing director today.

Also, as some have noted, there is the question of conflict-of-interest between the CIA, which is nominally independent, and the SecDef, who is nominally Hayden&#039;s boss so long as he&#039;s in uniform. It&#039;s not nearly so confusing now that the DIA no longer belongs to the director, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;ll make it bloody difficult for Hayden to have an unbiased opinion in the ongoing turf wars about the proper ownership of military intel assets... but that&#039;s a debate for another thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I'm not sure your examples support your position... While the first several directors were military, as previously noted, it had only just changed from being the OSS during WWII, so many of its senior officers were military; there wasn't much civilian staff to choose from.</p>
<p>But if I'm not mistaken, both Raborn and Turner were already retired when they were selected for the job... the last <em>active-duty</em> officer to run the CIA was Smith, who left <em>over 50 years ago</em>. Since active duty officers were only directors for the first 7 years of an organization that's been around (in this incarnation, anyway) for over 60 years, I don't think there's much in the way of precedent for a uniform-wearing director today.</p>
<p>Also, as some have noted, there is the question of conflict-of-interest between the CIA, which is nominally independent, and the SecDef, who is nominally Hayden's boss so long as he's in uniform. It's not nearly so confusing now that the DIA no longer belongs to the director, but I'm sure it'll make it bloody difficult for Hayden to have an unbiased opinion in the ongoing turf wars about the proper ownership of military intel assets... but that's a debate for another thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Operations Officer Plame(OOPs)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Operations Officer Plame(OOPs)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 01:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CIA is actually the OSS. the British office of special services, air force.  The OOs or operation officers were origially from WWII. Bush was in WWII and started the CIA &#039;with Donovan.&#039;  Donovan was important to the OSS, not the Office of Safety and Security, which came later.

Anywho:

James Bond was invented by Ian Flemming of the OSS.   OO7 or Operations Officer 7 was what most wanted the work to be, glamorous.  It was the exact opposite.  So, it&#039;s 2 007 next year and I heard it&#039;ll be in the movie.

The problem todayis it is a union.  Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CIA is actually the OSS. the British office of special services, air force.  The OOs or operation officers were origially from WWII. Bush was in WWII and started the CIA 'with Donovan.'  Donovan was important to the OSS, not the Office of Safety and Security, which came later.</p>
<p>Anywho:</p>
<p>James Bond was invented by Ian Flemming of the OSS.   OO7 or Operations Officer 7 was what most wanted the work to be, glamorous.  It was the exact opposite.  So, it's 2 007 next year and I heard it'll be in the movie.</p>
<p>The problem todayis it is a union.  Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Riehl World View</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riehl World View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 00:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;CIA Redux...&lt;/strong&gt;

The AP picks up the story that some in Congress are worried about a military officer at the helm of the CIA. OTB gives some in Congress a bit of a history lesson here. Check it out. Seems the CIA...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>CIA Redux...</strong></p>
<p>The AP picks up the story that some in Congress are worried about a military officer at the helm of the CIA. OTB gives some in Congress a bit of a history lesson here. Check it out. Seems the CIA...</p>
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		<title>By: phreshone</title>
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		<dc:creator>phreshone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 23:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost all of them, except Goss, Tenet, Deutch, Schlesinger, and McCone, had military service.  With only Clinton&#039;s appointments (Tenet and Deutch) without extensive defense/intelligence backgrounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost all of them, except Goss, Tenet, Deutch, Schlesinger, and McCone, had military service.  With only Clinton's appointments (Tenet and Deutch) without extensive defense/intelligence backgrounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 21:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I certainly wasn&#039;t familiar with the CIA&#039;s leadership early in its existence, I do remember when Adm Turner was appointed.

So this begs the question to the nay-sayers: please point out the problems during, at least, Turner&#039;s tenure that were associated with his military background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I certainly wasn't familiar with the CIA's leadership early in its existence, I do remember when Adm Turner was appointed.</p>
<p>So this begs the question to the nay-sayers: please point out the problems during, at least, Turner's tenure that were associated with his military background.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 21:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;House Intel Panel Chief Opposes Hayden 
   
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A leading Republican came out against the front-runner for CIA director, Gen. Michael Hayden, saying...</description>
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<p>A leading Republican came out against the front-runner for CIA director, Gen. Michael Hayden, saying...</p>
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		<title>By: The Hotline's Blogometer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hotline's Blogometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;officers to know their place and do the right thing vis-a-vis the Constitution. The idea too that a military guy is going to fight harder for budgets or influence than a civilian is just belied by history. Relax, this guy might be a great appointment.&quot;Outside the Beltway has similar thoughts: &quot;After all, to paraphrase George Will, these people are essentially arguing that, if we put the military in charge of CIA, we would risk sacrificing the superb intelligence work we&#039;re getting now.&quot;&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->officers to know their place and do the right thing vis-a-vis the Constitution. The idea too that a military guy is going to fight harder for budgets or influence than a civilian is just belied by history. Relax, this guy might be a great appointment."Outside the Beltway has similar thoughts: "After all, to paraphrase George Will, these people are essentially arguing that, if we put the military in charge of CIA, we would risk sacrificing the superb intelligence work we're getting now."<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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