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		<title>By: Kent G. Budge</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/conservatives_call_for_republican_ouster/comment-page-1/#comment-97499</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent G. Budge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If people really wanted spending restraint, they’d stop re-electing the likes of Byrd and Stevens. That’s not going to happen any time soon, methinks.&lt;/em&gt;

That pretty much nails it.  My Congressman is doing exactly what his constituents elected him to do:  Pull as much of the pie to this district as possible.  It&#039;s all the frikkin&#039; Congressmen from other districts (who are doing the same) that are the problem.  ;)

The remarkable transmogrification of the Republicans, once in power, shows that this immutable law of self-interest knows no party loyalties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If people really wanted spending restraint, they&rsquo;d stop re-electing the likes of Byrd and Stevens. That&rsquo;s not going to happen any time soon, methinks.</em></p>
<p>That pretty much nails it.  My Congressman is doing exactly what his constituents elected him to do:  Pull as much of the pie to this district as possible.  It's all the frikkin' Congressmen from other districts (who are doing the same) that are the problem.  ;)</p>
<p>The remarkable transmogrification of the Republicans, once in power, shows that this immutable law of self-interest knows no party loyalties.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an alternative suggestion. Increase the GOP majority. If you need 50+Cheney to pass a law (and 55 + 5 to vote on passing the law) and the theory is that majority government causes parties to negotiate first within their party, expand the majority. 

As an example, imagine a 70 to 30 split (not so hard to do, the democrats peaked at 76 about 70 years ago and had 68 seats 40 years ago). Now you have 10 votes to give to get the bill to a vote and 20 votes to give to get the bill passed (assuming Cheney isn&#039;t in a secret location). This would seem to give a lot more room to finding a path without the party extremists.

Sorry. At best a divided congress is good for neither party getting to go their way. We have to many important issues, domestically and internationally, facing the country for me to by the argument that gridlock is the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an alternative suggestion. Increase the GOP majority. If you need 50+Cheney to pass a law (and 55 + 5 to vote on passing the law) and the theory is that majority government causes parties to negotiate first within their party, expand the majority. </p>
<p>As an example, imagine a 70 to 30 split (not so hard to do, the democrats peaked at 76 about 70 years ago and had 68 seats 40 years ago). Now you have 10 votes to give to get the bill to a vote and 20 votes to give to get the bill passed (assuming Cheney isn't in a secret location). This would seem to give a lot more room to finding a path without the party extremists.</p>
<p>Sorry. At best a divided congress is good for neither party getting to go their way. We have to many important issues, domestically and internationally, facing the country for me to by the argument that gridlock is the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Divided We Stand United We Fall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Divided We Stand United We Fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;All we are saying, is give divided government a chance....&lt;/strong&gt;

James Joyner at Outside the Beltway takes note, and summarizes the series nicely in his post &quot;Conservatives Call for Republican Ouster&quot;. While he has some interesting critiques and comments on each column, he confuses the notion of divided government...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>All we are saying, is give divided government a chance....</strong></p>
<p>James Joyner at Outside the Beltway takes note, and summarizes the series nicely in his post "Conservatives Call for Republican Ouster". While he has some interesting critiques and comments on each column, he confuses the notion of divided government...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:  Yup on UK speechwriters.  Perhaps because of their history of feudalism, Brits seem not to mind politicians who don&#039;t talk like they do.  The fact that most MPs came up through the Oxford-Cambridge old boy&#039;s network doesn&#039;t hurt, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:  Yup on UK speechwriters.  Perhaps because of their history of feudalism, Brits seem not to mind politicians who don't talk like they do.  The fact that most MPs came up through the Oxford-Cambridge old boy's network doesn't hurt, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If November gives us a Democratic majority in the House, we will not only get divided government, we will get a weakened President who is more likely to compromise with Democratic spending plans. &lt;/em&gt;

Or we may get a president who finally has the cojones to insist on cuts and veto some spending bills.

Bush&#039;s only veto has been on stem cell research.  He has been completely unable to resist spending by his own party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If November gives us a Democratic majority in the House, we will not only get divided government, we will get a weakened President who is more likely to compromise with Democratic spending plans. </em></p>
<p>Or we may get a president who finally has the cojones to insist on cuts and veto some spending bills.</p>
<p>Bush's only veto has been on stem cell research.  He has been completely unable to resist spending by his own party.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: The case for divided government

I&#039;m not very fond of the idea of subjecting this theory to a real test. I see a few data points, but can we really draw the conclusion that a few data points constitutes proof?

The American politics is not a closed system. There is only one constant and that is the framework of the government. All the other factors are variables that interact both domestically and internationally. Would anyone accept the Democrats and Republicans of the 1950s as the same parties today? Does the inclination of the electorate of the 1960s replicate the inclination of the electorate today?

Those who argue the case for divided govenrnment, here, today, in 2006, make a bold assumption that past performance guarantees future results.

What evidence do we have that the President, the big spending big government Republican, would change his behavior? The primary reason we have large budgets today is because the President and Congress have compromised. They get what they want, more or less. He gets what he wants, more or less. Sure the libertarians and the economic conservatives get the short end of the deal, but so does the far left. Bush, for all practial purposes, has assembled a bi-partisan majority for more spending. One more data point supporting George Will&#039;s thesis, &quot;the American public is philosophically conservative and operationally liberal.&quot;

If November gives us a Democratic majority in the House, we will not only get divided government, we will get a weakened President who is more likely to compromise with Democratic spending plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: The case for divided government</p>
<p>I'm not very fond of the idea of subjecting this theory to a real test. I see a few data points, but can we really draw the conclusion that a few data points constitutes proof?</p>
<p>The American politics is not a closed system. There is only one constant and that is the framework of the government. All the other factors are variables that interact both domestically and internationally. Would anyone accept the Democrats and Republicans of the 1950s as the same parties today? Does the inclination of the electorate of the 1960s replicate the inclination of the electorate today?</p>
<p>Those who argue the case for divided govenrnment, here, today, in 2006, make a bold assumption that past performance guarantees future results.</p>
<p>What evidence do we have that the President, the big spending big government Republican, would change his behavior? The primary reason we have large budgets today is because the President and Congress have compromised. They get what they want, more or less. He gets what he wants, more or less. Sure the libertarians and the economic conservatives get the short end of the deal, but so does the far left. Bush, for all practial purposes, has assembled a bi-partisan majority for more spending. One more data point supporting George Will's thesis, "the American public is philosophically conservative and operationally liberal."</p>
<p>If November gives us a Democratic majority in the House, we will not only get divided government, we will get a weakened President who is more likely to compromise with Democratic spending plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The problem is that nominees are chosen by a more rabid primary electorate, who always think the reason they lost last time was because they had a too meek candidate who wasn’t true to their core principles.&lt;/em&gt; 

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessarily true of Dems; it sounds more true of the Repubs, who at least *have* &quot;core principles.&quot;  Dems are much less organized, and their primaries probably reflect that.

I liked &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2006/09/recommended_1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Djerejian&#039;s quote of David Cameron, UK Tory&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;I am &lt;strong&gt;a liberal conservative&lt;/strong&gt;, rather than a neo-conservative. &lt;strong&gt;Liberal - because I support the aim of spreading freedom and democracy, and support humanitarian intervention&lt;/strong&gt;. Conservative - because I &lt;strong&gt;recognise the complexities of human nature, and am sceptical of grand schemes &lt;/strong&gt;to remake the world. A liberal conservative approach to foreign policy today is based on five propositions. First, that we should understand fully the threat we face. Second, that democracy cannot quickly be imposed from outside. Third, that our strategy needs to go far beyond military action. Fourth, that we need a new multilateralism to tackle the new global challenges we face. And fifth, that we must strive to act with moral authority.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Frankly, while the actual content of these words is ragingly debatable, I can sign up for that.  The Dems could use some UK speechwriters, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The problem is that nominees are chosen by a more rabid primary electorate, who always think the reason they lost last time was because they had a too meek candidate who wasn&rsquo;t true to their core principles.</em> </p>
<p>I don't think that's necessarily true of Dems; it sounds more true of the Repubs, who at least *have* "core principles."  Dems are much less organized, and their primaries probably reflect that.</p>
<p>I liked <a href="http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2006/09/recommended_1.html" rel="nofollow">Djerejian's quote of David Cameron, UK Tory</a>:<br />
<blockquote>I am <strong>a liberal conservative</strong>, rather than a neo-conservative. <strong>Liberal - because I support the aim of spreading freedom and democracy, and support humanitarian intervention</strong>. Conservative - because I <strong>recognise the complexities of human nature, and am sceptical of grand schemes </strong>to remake the world. A liberal conservative approach to foreign policy today is based on five propositions. First, that we should understand fully the threat we face. Second, that democracy cannot quickly be imposed from outside. Third, that our strategy needs to go far beyond military action. Fourth, that we need a new multilateralism to tackle the new global challenges we face. And fifth, that we must strive to act with moral authority.</p></blockquote>
<p>Frankly, while the actual content of these words is ragingly debatable, I can sign up for that.  The Dems could use some UK speechwriters, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True that.  The problem is that nominees are chosen by a more rabid primary electorate, who always think the reason they lost last time was because they had a too meek candidate who wasn&#039;t true to their core principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True that.  The problem is that nominees are chosen by a more rabid primary electorate, who always think the reason they lost last time was because they had a too meek candidate who wasn't true to their core principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Basically, he argues that losing is good because it forces parties to re-evaluate themselves,&lt;/em&gt;

Somehow, the Dems have managed to avoid this, despite &lt;i&gt;plenty&lt;/i&gt; of opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Basically, he argues that losing is good because it forces parties to re-evaluate themselves,</em></p>
<p>Somehow, the Dems have managed to avoid this, despite <i>plenty</i> of opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogniscient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogniscient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Democratic Underground &#124; 9/12/2006 21:41:48    Now seven prominent conservatives dare to speak the unspeakable: They hope the Republicans lose in 2006. Well, lets be diplomatic and say theyd prefe...  Conservatives Call for Republican Ouster &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Democratic Underground | 9/12/2006 21:41:48    Now seven prominent conservatives dare to speak the unspeakable: They hope the Republicans lose in 2006. Well, lets be diplomatic and say theyd prefe...  Conservatives Call for Republican Ouster <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: The Hotline's Blogometer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hotline's Blogometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;&quot; all hoping for &quot;the Republicans lose this November. For the sake of conservatism and the country.&quot; At National Review Online Kathryn Jean Lopez notes that National Review&#039;s Ramesh Ponnuru has an op-ed in the New York Times making a similar argument. Outside the Beltway&#039;s James Joyner has a lengthy post reviewing each of the Washington Monthly essayists including this response to Buckley&#039;s piece: &quot;All fair criticisms and, indeed, all things I&#039;ve criticized along with a substantial chunk of the conservative&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->" all hoping for "the Republicans lose this November. For the sake of conservatism and the country." At National Review Online Kathryn Jean Lopez notes that National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru has an op-ed in the New York Times making a similar argument. Outside the Beltway's James Joyner has a lengthy post reviewing each of the Washington Monthly essayists including this response to Buckley's piece: "All fair criticisms and, indeed, all things I've criticized along with a substantial chunk of the conservative<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<dc:creator> » Gone Hollywood</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; [IMG working]                      [IMG Outside The Beltway &#124; OTB]  Conservatives Call for Republican Ouster U.S. Embassy in Syria Attacked 10 Stingrays Killed Since Steve Irwin’s Death Combating Wal-Mart Asymmetrically Saudi Reforms, Five Years After Caption Contest Winners Beltway Traffic Jam The Left Remembers 9/11&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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