Comments on: Crazy on Contraception

By: floyd

floyd — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:33:49 +0000

this is aPARENTly[sic] a deep subject for such shallow minds to comment on.[lol] smoking is less dangerous to one's health than premarital sex, yet we condemn smoking, and condone promiscuity?? our society no longer has the moral grounds to expect anyone to follow; socially or legally.our capacity for commitment is infantile.

By: Berto

Berto — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:23:59 +0000

Cynthia,

I don't have any problem with that until women insist on government mandated health care, contraceptives, flex time, daycare, welfare, etc. Once you start demanding those benefits then I think you open yourself up to judgement by others.

By: anjin-san

anjin-san — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:43:14 +0000

I am with Cynthia on this, women are the ones who have to live with these choices,and they need to be the ones to make decisions regarding their own bodies...

By: Anderson

Anderson — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:46:11 +0000

I just wanted to state that MOST women just want to be left alone to make their own bloody decisions about sex, contraception, and their health in general.

Amen, sister.

By: Cynthia

Cynthia — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:43:54 +0000

I am not sure if I am welcome here, but since there does not appear to be any females commenting, I just wanted to state that MOST women just want to be left alone to make their own bloody decisions about sex, contraception, and their health in general. If you want to subscribe to the above mentioned superstitions, and taboos....go right ahead....it's still a free country. Barely.

By: anjin-san

anjin-san — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:36:55 +0000

>Most women in “barefoot and pregnant” societies view the way we treat women as degrading and disrespectful. We use women as sexual objects in advertising and entertainment. Don’t tell me that ain’t degrading.

Actually I would argue that our culture of marketing & "entertainment" is kind of degrading for all parties involved, not for women in particular.

But, as a wise woman once said, "No one can take away your self-respect without your permission".

By: James Joyner

James Joyner — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:10:24 +0000

Kent: K-Lo not only invited the description but takes as obvious the contrary position. My point is that it's rather silly to pretend that people who are waiting until their late 20s and later to get married are going to wait that long to have sex. Further, with responsible use of birth control, there is no practical rationale for doing so.

By: Kent G. Budge

Kent G. Budge — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:05:30 +0000

I don't have any problem with the judicious use of contraceptives, but you lost me when you said

In this context, the idea that people should wait until they’re married to have sex ... is indeed crazy.

Call me crazy. After all, it's a great way to dismiss anything I have to say.

By: Arcs

Arcs — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:38:39 +0000

He will oversee $283 million in annual family-planning grants that, according to HHS, are "designed to provide access to contraceptive supplies and information to all who want and need them with priority given to low-income persons."

What grates me is that the appointment is going to an ob/gyn MD. That's overkill. Any turban-covered 7-11 minimum wage clerk would have been sufficient.

By: Berto

Berto — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:49:36 +0000

Most women in "barefoot and pregnant" societies view the way we treat women as degrading and disrespectful. We use women as sexual objects in advertising and entertainment. Don't tell me that ain't degrading. Women in traditional societies aren't necessarily unhappy. In fact, surveys show that people in those societies are generally happier than in modern societies. Nigeria ranks #1 in a recent survey while the U.S. trails in 16th place. In the U.S., traditional stay-at-home mothers report higher levels of happiness than women who've embraced the sexual revolution. One of the critical dangers of easy access to birth control is that most industrialized nations are dying out. Their birth rates are below the level of sustainability. So there's a cost to birth control to both the society and individual and I think y'all are the crazy ones for not wanting to discuss it.

By: James Joyner

James Joyner — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:38:15 +0000

CC: I take issue with K-Lo's statement, which stands on its own merit. Neither my post nor Sullivan's has anything to do with Keroack or AWC. The WaPo link is from her post and I include it in my blockquote of it. As Sullivan notes, K-Lo isn't talking about teen sex but about sex generally. Further, if one includes condoms in the category of "contraceptives," I would say they are the best means of preventing STDs out there.

By: Anderson

Anderson — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:37:19 +0000

Let's see: passing out contraceptives, on the assumption that adult women are clueful enough to know what they're for and how to use them, "is degrading and disrespectful." As opposed to lecturing the recipients on their proper use & on sexual prudence? What an idiot. Isn't she the same person who thought Rick Santorum was the great GOP hope? No wonder.

By: Conservative Culture

Conservative Culture — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:28:24 +0000

Did anyone bother to read the actual website or look at "A Woman's Concern"? From the article and comments... I don't believe you did.

By: Conservative Culture » Demeaning Sexuality: Bush appoints Eric Keroack

Conservative Culture » Demeaning Sexuality: Bush appoints Eric Keroack — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:24:09 +0000

[...] Outside The Beltway and Andrew Sullivan have finally found their common ground. This was rather disappointing since OTB never cites the source of the quote being considered and didn’t digg for the context of the position Eric Keroack have taken on contraceptives. “A Woman’s Concern is persuaded that the crass commercialization and distribution of birth control is demeaning to women, degrading of human sexuality and adverse to human health and happiness,” the group’s Web site says. [...]

By: Dave

Dave — Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:12:03 +0000

Straight out of the Taliban manifesto.