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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/critics_call_radio_hosts_trip_propaganda_mission/comment-page-1/#comment-50767</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me like sarcasm feeds the market for propoganda. 
&lt;em&gt;Al Franken and Janeane Garofalo are well representative by the leftists-MSM. All reporting from Iraq has the flavor of propaganda, so why not get these conservative talkshow hostâs perspective.

It is not possible to separate the bias from the reporter, any attempt to do so, mainly by reporters not disclosing what stripe they are, is just nonsense.

The more the merrier. Ted Nugent is just as good a source as AP.&lt;/em&gt;

This does not make Franken, Nugent, Gerafelo, or Limbaugh worthwhile for getting news, just for teaching us how to be sarcastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me like sarcasm feeds the market for propoganda.<br />
<em>Al Franken and Janeane Garofalo are well representative by the leftists-MSM. All reporting from Iraq has the flavor of propaganda, so why not get these conservative talkshow hostâs perspective.</p>
<p>It is not possible to separate the bias from the reporter, any attempt to do so, mainly by reporters not disclosing what stripe they are, is just nonsense.</p>
<p>The more the merrier. Ted Nugent is just as good a source as AP.</em></p>
<p>This does not make Franken, Nugent, Gerafelo, or Limbaugh worthwhile for getting news, just for teaching us how to be sarcastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Masked MenaceÂ©</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masked MenaceÂ©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, maybe you didn&#039;t get the sarcasm.  But I didn&#039;t hear any cries of propaganda from the MSM during the reporting of Sean Penn&#039;s &quot;Fact Finding&quot; trips to Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, maybe you didn't get the sarcasm.  But I didn't hear any cries of propaganda from the MSM during the reporting of Sean Penn's "Fact Finding" trips to Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are hearing is opinion presented as fact. Fact would be something like: &quot;4000 known menbers of the insurgency have been killed.&quot; 

Opinion would read like: &quot;That means we are really getting at them&quot; or and we haven&#039;t even made a dent in the number of attacks.&quot;

Since we have no reliable way to judge the scope of the insurgency, we have no way to judge our success other than by the number of insurgent attacks. That isn&#039;t very reliable either because they will stop all at once if we beat them right? 


http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?id=15181
I really enjoyed what Darryl Worley had to say about having to go on the USO tour with Franken:

&quot;...he turned out to be one of the best human beings that Iâve ever gotten to know. And he never pushed me. We talked; we got into some things. And heâs very sharp.

Policinski: Yeah.

Worley: Donât get into a discussion with him about things unless you got your facts right, because he busted me on a couple things. But I think we both had moments when we had comments that made the other person think. And thatâs what itâs all about to me. And I guess in that experience, I realized what America is really, really about and what this showâs about and what musicâs about. And that is, weâre so blessed to be free. And freedomâs a huge word. It means so much more to me now after those experiences in the Middle East than it ever did before. Before, it was just a term, and I knew what it meant, and now, itâs something thatâs inside me. And we are so blessed to have it. And weâre so blessed to be able to express our opinions. But we should honor and respect one another. Heâs a really good American.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are hearing is opinion presented as fact. Fact would be something like: "4000 known menbers of the insurgency have been killed." </p>
<p>Opinion would read like: "That means we are really getting at them" or and we haven't even made a dent in the number of attacks."</p>
<p>Since we have no reliable way to judge the scope of the insurgency, we have no way to judge our success other than by the number of insurgent attacks. That isn't very reliable either because they will stop all at once if we beat them right? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?id=15181" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?id=15181</a><br />
I really enjoyed what Darryl Worley had to say about having to go on the USO tour with Franken:</p>
<p>"...he turned out to be one of the best human beings that Iâve ever gotten to know. And he never pushed me. We talked; we got into some things. And heâs very sharp.</p>
<p>Policinski: Yeah.</p>
<p>Worley: Donât get into a discussion with him about things unless you got your facts right, because he busted me on a couple things. But I think we both had moments when we had comments that made the other person think. And thatâs what itâs all about to me. And I guess in that experience, I realized what America is really, really about and what this showâs about and what musicâs about. And that is, weâre so blessed to be free. And freedomâs a huge word. It means so much more to me now after those experiences in the Middle East than it ever did before. Before, it was just a term, and I knew what it meant, and now, itâs something thatâs inside me. And we are so blessed to have it. And weâre so blessed to be able to express our opinions. But we should honor and respect one another. Heâs a really good American."</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franken is a little weenie-boy.  &quot;His way&quot; of serving would not have removed the Nazis from much of Europe or the Japanese from the Pacific.

Ted Nugent, although a little off-the-wall, is a true American, heart and soul.  If people could get past his eccentric persona, and listened more closely to his words, they would realize that he is FOR the troops, not a propagandist. 

Mr. G:  Now the media is &quot;protecting an inept President&quot;  LOL  Ow, my side hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franken is a little weenie-boy.  "His way" of serving would not have removed the Nazis from much of Europe or the Japanese from the Pacific.</p>
<p>Ted Nugent, although a little off-the-wall, is a true American, heart and soul.  If people could get past his eccentric persona, and listened more closely to his words, they would realize that he is FOR the troops, not a propagandist. </p>
<p>Mr. G:  Now the media is "protecting an inept President"  LOL  Ow, my side hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter E. Wallis</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/critics_call_radio_hosts_trip_propaganda_mission/comment-page-1/#comment-50729</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter E. Wallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If propaganda is without value, why is the left so upset when their gatekeeper role to what America sees is challenged? 
I consider someone as unpatriotic when his or her words are echoed by our enemies, the people who are killing us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If propaganda is without value, why is the left so upset when their gatekeeper role to what America sees is challenged?<br />
I consider someone as unpatriotic when his or her words are echoed by our enemies, the people who are killing us.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s not different when sean penn does it. Propoganda is propoganda whoever the messenger and whoever the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it's not different when sean penn does it. Propoganda is propoganda whoever the messenger and whoever the message.</p>
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		<title>By: Masked MenaceÂ©</title>
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		<dc:creator>Masked MenaceÂ©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But critics, including independent journalists who have reported from Iraq, say the trip is a propaganda mission for the U.S. military and the Bush administration and cannot be considered &quot;journalism&quot; by any standards. 

&quot;They have no idea what journalism is, and to pretend they are journalists is laughable,&quot; Beinart said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep, but when Sean Penn does it, it&#039;s different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But critics, including independent journalists who have reported from Iraq, say the trip is a propaganda mission for the U.S. military and the Bush administration and cannot be considered "journalism" by any standards. </p>
<p>"They have no idea what journalism is, and to pretend they are journalists is laughable," Beinart said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, but when Sean Penn does it, it's different.</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Knucklehead of the Day Award&lt;/strong&gt;

I think Ms. Morgan&#039;s work history matches or beats your own Mr. Beinart. Do I smell some journalistic envy or sour grapes?

For not knowing a true journalist over a fake, I give Peter Beinart today&#039;s knucklehead of the Day award.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Knucklehead of the Day Award</strong></p>
<p>I think Ms. Morgan's work history matches or beats your own Mr. Beinart. Do I smell some journalistic envy or sour grapes?</p>
<p>For not knowing a true journalist over a fake, I give Peter Beinart today's knucklehead of the Day award.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can only hope that these &quot;journalists&quot; actually get to see the horrific death up close that war really is.  Maybe then they can get out of this football mentality of us vs. them and realize that the cost of war is more than inflame rhetoric designed to protect an inept commander in chief who puts troops in harms way every day by not equipping them properly.

One of my friends works at a high school and recently asked a military recruiter what his honest opinion of the Iraq war was.  He responded that the general feeling from his perspective it was a business deal gone bad (oil) and now our soldiers are paying the ultimate price for a foreign policy that puts the profit of big business ahead of human life.  Now that&#039;s moral values.  Let&#039;s hear these right wing propagandists actually articulate a cogent response to that that doesn&#039;t invoke the McCarthyism mantra of being unpatriotic or 9-11, 9-11, 9-11 and did I say 9-11?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can only hope that these "journalists" actually get to see the horrific death up close that war really is.  Maybe then they can get out of this football mentality of us vs. them and realize that the cost of war is more than inflame rhetoric designed to protect an inept commander in chief who puts troops in harms way every day by not equipping them properly.</p>
<p>One of my friends works at a high school and recently asked a military recruiter what his honest opinion of the Iraq war was.  He responded that the general feeling from his perspective it was a business deal gone bad (oil) and now our soldiers are paying the ultimate price for a foreign policy that puts the profit of big business ahead of human life.  Now that's moral values.  Let's hear these right wing propagandists actually articulate a cogent response to that that doesn't invoke the McCarthyism mantra of being unpatriotic or 9-11, 9-11, 9-11 and did I say 9-11?</p>
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		<title>By: Little Miss Attila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Miss Attila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 05:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;How Annoying.&lt;/strong&gt;

I was really enjoying my total dislike of Al Franken, but it appears that he&#039;s one of several people in the country who claim to &quot;support the troops, but not the war&quot;&#8212;and mean it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>How Annoying.</strong></p>
<p>I was really enjoying my total dislike of Al Franken, but it appears that he's one of several people in the country who claim to "support the troops, but not the war"&mdash;and mean it....</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Mexico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Mexico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Robert Redford urges journalists to investigate Bu&lt;/strong&gt;

Really? Now there is an idea that I&#039;ll bet no one on the editorial staffs of The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Time, Newsweek,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robert Redford urges journalists to investigate Bu</strong></p>
<p>Really? Now there is an idea that I'll bet no one on the editorial staffs of The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Time, Newsweek,</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy70</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormy70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the journalists resent anyone else reporting on Iraq. I think the journalists are feeling the heat, and reading the polls showing their declining credibility, and it is staring to sting. Are soldiers voices not legitimate during a War? Why is it only Iraqi stringers hanging around the Bahgdad Hotel are worth hearing from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the journalists resent anyone else reporting on Iraq. I think the journalists are feeling the heat, and reading the polls showing their declining credibility, and it is staring to sting. Are soldiers voices not legitimate during a War? Why is it only Iraqi stringers hanging around the Bahgdad Hotel are worth hearing from?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Ross @ Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Ross @ Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Honoring Heroes on Indepedence Day&lt;/strong&gt;

Today is the day that we celebrate our independence. With all of its foibles and all its backbiting, caterwauling critics, there is no question but that the United States of America is the greatest force for good that the planet Earth has ever seen.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Honoring Heroes on Indepedence Day</strong></p>
<p>Today is the day that we celebrate our independence. With all of its foibles and all its backbiting, caterwauling critics, there is no question but that the United States of America is the greatest force for good that the planet Earth has ever seen.....</p>
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		<title>By: Lt bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lt bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Joyner - you and the president both &quot;live in a fantasy world of spin&quot;. If I may quote mr Kerry.
Sure we all know that these clowns are nothing but clowns - doing entertainment - but - quess what?   The clowns do not know that ,or admit that,
or behave as entertainers. They all like to think of themselves as unelected congressmen and senators doing Gods work for a better america.
Pure  bush propaganda at its worst, and young 
troops in the field are swayed by these liars.
Get yourself to confession before it is too late</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Joyner - you and the president both "live in a fantasy world of spin". If I may quote mr Kerry.<br />
Sure we all know that these clowns are nothing but clowns - doing entertainment - but - quess what?   The clowns do not know that ,or admit that,<br />
or behave as entertainers. They all like to think of themselves as unelected congressmen and senators doing Gods work for a better america.<br />
Pure  bush propaganda at its worst, and young<br />
troops in the field are swayed by these liars.<br />
Get yourself to confession before it is too late</p>
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		<title>By: FredW</title>
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		<dc:creator>FredW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Al Franken has been to Iraq multiple times -- as part of a USO tour. Which has has done quite a lot of over the years.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/01/05/cnna.franken/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Al Franken has been to Iraq multiple times -- as part of a USO tour. Which has has done quite a lot of over the years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/01/05/cnna.franken/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/01/05/cnna.franken/</a></p>
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