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	<title>Comments on: Cultural Identity, Country Music, and Voting Behavior</title>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cultural_identity_country_music_and_voting_behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-84395</link>
		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is both truth and a trap here. The truth is that many if not a majority of voters support one candidate vs another less on the candidates record or positions than on whether they trust the candidate to do the right thing when their backs are turned. This is why a charge of flip flopping, taking a position on polls not principles or general dishonesty hurts a candidate so much. We didn&#039;t know the major challenge that Bush would face when elected in 2000, but I have heard many people express thanks that it was Bush and not Gore who was asked to challenge them. Of course, I have also heard others complaining about Bush&#039;s handling, but they tend to be those who opposed them any way.

The trap is that it can foster a belief that it is just the packaging of ideas that needs to change, not questioning the soundness of the ideas. The Euston manifesto has power not because it clearly argues the liberal vs conservative case, but rather because it takes a position on America and national defense that 3/4 of the voters could support. It then goes after tactics that the other 1/4 would like but would alienate much of that original 3/4. 

For a great number of the voters discussed, the question of national security is a serious one. Should we bomb Iran or not, should we have invaded Iraq, would a democratic Iraq start a movement in the Mideast to counter the appeal of terrorist jihadism and how many troops should be deployed are questions of tactics in the war to keep America safe from future. The fundamental question is are we going to fight the war and fight to win. The discussion on tactics is used as a way to gauge the fundamental question.

A good example of this could be made with the question of foreign call intercepts. If the democratic response had been to a) condemn the publication of secrets about tactics in our war against the terrorist, b) state that winning the war is job one and c) they would call for closed door investigations to ensure that in trying to win we haven&#039;t lost sight of the need to not abuse the rights of our citizens, then the majority of the country could see democrats as legitimate defenders of our country. When you look at the Echelon program under Clinton you can see that democrats can support a balancing act between gathering the dots and not abusing the rights of Americans. Of course, the ABC response above would have angered the democrats far left. The fact that some of those were also angered by Echelon and the majority have no clue on the program is a problem that the democrats need to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is both truth and a trap here. The truth is that many if not a majority of voters support one candidate vs another less on the candidates record or positions than on whether they trust the candidate to do the right thing when their backs are turned. This is why a charge of flip flopping, taking a position on polls not principles or general dishonesty hurts a candidate so much. We didn't know the major challenge that Bush would face when elected in 2000, but I have heard many people express thanks that it was Bush and not Gore who was asked to challenge them. Of course, I have also heard others complaining about Bush's handling, but they tend to be those who opposed them any way.</p>
<p>The trap is that it can foster a belief that it is just the packaging of ideas that needs to change, not questioning the soundness of the ideas. The Euston manifesto has power not because it clearly argues the liberal vs conservative case, but rather because it takes a position on America and national defense that 3/4 of the voters could support. It then goes after tactics that the other 1/4 would like but would alienate much of that original 3/4. </p>
<p>For a great number of the voters discussed, the question of national security is a serious one. Should we bomb Iran or not, should we have invaded Iraq, would a democratic Iraq start a movement in the Mideast to counter the appeal of terrorist jihadism and how many troops should be deployed are questions of tactics in the war to keep America safe from future. The fundamental question is are we going to fight the war and fight to win. The discussion on tactics is used as a way to gauge the fundamental question.</p>
<p>A good example of this could be made with the question of foreign call intercepts. If the democratic response had been to a) condemn the publication of secrets about tactics in our war against the terrorist, b) state that winning the war is job one and c) they would call for closed door investigations to ensure that in trying to win we haven't lost sight of the need to not abuse the rights of our citizens, then the majority of the country could see democrats as legitimate defenders of our country. When you look at the Echelon program under Clinton you can see that democrats can support a balancing act between gathering the dots and not abusing the rights of Americans. Of course, the ABC response above would have angered the democrats far left. The fact that some of those were also angered by Echelon and the majority have no clue on the program is a problem that the democrats need to address.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cultural_identity_country_music_and_voting_behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-84320</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 05:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead,

Gore is scorned because he talks at people, not to them. His policy and ideology has nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead,</p>
<p>Gore is scorned because he talks at people, not to them. His policy and ideology has nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cultural_identity_country_music_and_voting_behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-84319</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 05:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Burns: The important thing is sincerity. Once you&#039;ve learned to fake that you&#039;ve got it made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Burns: The important thing is sincerity. Once you've learned to fake that you've got it made.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cultural_identity_country_music_and_voting_behavior/comment-page-1/#comment-84309</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 02:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concept:
He&#039;s rejected as a goofball because of the policy he proposes... and on what basis he proposes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concept:<br />
He's rejected as a goofball because of the policy he proposes... and on what basis he proposes it.</p>
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