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	<title>Comments on: Cutting Off the Sunnis to Spite Our Face?</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Plunk</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cutting_off_the_sunnis_to_spite_our_face/comment-page-1/#comment-105556</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tano,

With due respect, the situation on the ground in Iraq is a mess of religious strife, tribal allegiances and the settling of old scores.  This has nothing to do with Republican or Democratic foreign policy.  The State Dept. is somewhat non-partisan and that is where these ideas are coming from.  It also appears these are the same players and situations from Clinton&#039;s presidency.  Blaming Republicans for all the world&#039;s ills doesn&#039;t make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tano,</p>
<p>With due respect, the situation on the ground in Iraq is a mess of religious strife, tribal allegiances and the settling of old scores.  This has nothing to do with Republican or Democratic foreign policy.  The State Dept. is somewhat non-partisan and that is where these ideas are coming from.  It also appears these are the same players and situations from Clinton's presidency.  Blaming Republicans for all the world's ills doesn't make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush has pretty much served Iraq up to Iran on a platter. Pretty poor return for thousands of dead GIs and a half a trillion dollars...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush has pretty much served Iraq up to Iran on a platter. Pretty poor return for thousands of dead GIs and a half a trillion dollars...</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cutting_off_the_sunnis_to_spite_our_face/comment-page-1/#comment-105543</link>
		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I see a convergence of positions coming.

Bush has said that we will stay until the job is done - _as long as the Iraqis want us there_.

Maliki has stated that he thinks his government can take over security by June 07.

His essential parlimentary ally, al-Sadr, wants us out as soon as possible. and has the forces that he could claim would enforce security.

Study Group is pushing for us to be mostly out within a year, as are Dems.

Everyone, both Dem and GOP wants this essentially over by 08, because no one wants it to be the focus of the presidential campaign, nor does any future president want to have to deal with this mess.

In that context, this Sunni dumping idea seems to be a way to gracefully (thats a joke) turn over the country to, what essentially will be the al-Sadr forces.

Maybe it will all work out for the best. Maybe the Iranians will be so grateful, that they will voluntarily give up their nukes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I see a convergence of positions coming.</p>
<p>Bush has said that we will stay until the job is done - _as long as the Iraqis want us there_.</p>
<p>Maliki has stated that he thinks his government can take over security by June 07.</p>
<p>His essential parlimentary ally, al-Sadr, wants us out as soon as possible. and has the forces that he could claim would enforce security.</p>
<p>Study Group is pushing for us to be mostly out within a year, as are Dems.</p>
<p>Everyone, both Dem and GOP wants this essentially over by 08, because no one wants it to be the focus of the presidential campaign, nor does any future president want to have to deal with this mess.</p>
<p>In that context, this Sunni dumping idea seems to be a way to gracefully (thats a joke) turn over the country to, what essentially will be the al-Sadr forces.</p>
<p>Maybe it will all work out for the best. Maybe the Iranians will be so grateful, that they will voluntarily give up their nukes.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/cutting_off_the_sunnis_to_spite_our_face/comment-page-1/#comment-105542</link>
		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can someone explain to me how it would be possible, at any time over the next few generations, for someone to argue that the Republicans have any sort of natural affinity for, or competence in foreign or military affairs? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. They don&#039;t.

This has been another edition of Simple Answers to Simple Questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can someone explain to me how it would be possible, at any time over the next few generations, for someone to argue that the Republicans have any sort of natural affinity for, or competence in foreign or military affairs? </p></blockquote>
<p>No. They don't.</p>
<p>This has been another edition of Simple Answers to Simple Questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So lets see what we got here.

We support the Shiites who are tied closely to Iran and Syria.
We are mortally opposed to Iran and Syria, and some want war.
We support the Kurds who really want independence.
A key component of our bedrock alliance, Turkey, is absolutely opposed to Kurdish independence.
We will toss the Sunnis overboard.
Our dealer, the Saudis, will arm and protect the Sunnis if needed.

Can someone explain to me how it would be possible, at any time over the next few generations, for someone to argue that the Republicans have any sort of natural affinity for, or competence in foreign or military affairs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So lets see what we got here.</p>
<p>We support the Shiites who are tied closely to Iran and Syria.<br />
We are mortally opposed to Iran and Syria, and some want war.<br />
We support the Kurds who really want independence.<br />
A key component of our bedrock alliance, Turkey, is absolutely opposed to Kurdish independence.<br />
We will toss the Sunnis overboard.<br />
Our dealer, the Saudis, will arm and protect the Sunnis if needed.</p>
<p>Can someone explain to me how it would be possible, at any time over the next few generations, for someone to argue that the Republicans have any sort of natural affinity for, or competence in foreign or military affairs?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm.  State says that Sunni outreach has failed, but is that the same as backing the Shiites?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/005268.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Laura Rozen&#039;s sources&lt;/a&gt; tell her that Cheney&#039;s office, plus NSC elements, are the Shiite fans.  Which to me suggests why it was that the Saudis summoned Cheney to Riyadh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.  State says that Sunni outreach has failed, but is that the same as backing the Shiites?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/005268.html" rel="nofollow">Laura Rozen's sources</a> tell her that Cheney's office, plus NSC elements, are the Shiite fans.  Which to me suggests why it was that the Saudis summoned Cheney to Riyadh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despair of any formula for bringing Iraq&#039;s Sunni Arabs (most of the Kurds are Sunnis, too) out of the margins. That&#039;s been the problem since Saddam&#039;s government fell in 2003.

They&#039;re fighting for their way of life.  There&#039;s no other way they can restore the privileges they&#039;ve come to expect.  And they can always dabble with the political process during the day and set carbombs at night.

This problem of incentives has been there since the beginning. Partition won&#039;t solve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despair of any formula for bringing Iraq's Sunni Arabs (most of the Kurds are Sunnis, too) out of the margins. That's been the problem since Saddam's government fell in 2003.</p>
<p>They're fighting for their way of life.  There's no other way they can restore the privileges they've come to expect.  And they can always dabble with the political process during the day and set carbombs at night.</p>
<p>This problem of incentives has been there since the beginning. Partition won't solve it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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