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	<title>Comments on: Daily Pundit PayPal Problems</title>
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		<title>By: Jake Stichler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24257</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Stichler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jim, e-gold is the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jim, e-gold is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24244</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try e-gold, metal denominated by weight is as apolitical as it gets. email me and I&#039;ll click you some.
JMR

(Not very much, but even micropayments work with  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=167162&quot;&gt;e-gold&lt;/a&gt;!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try e-gold, metal denominated by weight is as apolitical as it gets. email me and I'll click you some.<br />
JMR</p>
<p>(Not very much, but even micropayments work with  <a href="http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=167162">e-gold</a>!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24208</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2004 04:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect PayPal is closing down accounts on the request of enemies who claim your website is offensive. Someone could just fire off an email to PayPal that looks like its from some old lady.

They don&#039;t have the time or desire to monitor all customer websites themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect PayPal is closing down accounts on the request of enemies who claim your website is offensive. Someone could just fire off an email to PayPal that looks like its from some old lady.</p>
<p>They don't have the time or desire to monitor all customer websites themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Remy Logan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24204</link>
		<dc:creator>Remy Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A BlogAds tipjar would still work because PayPal would no longer be associated with the site. PayPal becomes a conduit for the transfer of money, and not the collector of the tips.

For the paying customer, the key is that the company collecting funds is trusted. An argument can be made that customers would trust BlogAds to securely collect funds.

On the blogger&#039;s side, they already trust BlogAds to pay what is owed. How the payment is made is not important, as long as payment is timely and accurate. BlogAds can use a number of different other companies for payout, such as BitPass. This would require bloggers to sign-up with another service, but they will if they know that payment will be timely and accurate -- and that their site isn&#039;t going to be subjected to the whims of PayPal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A BlogAds tipjar would still work because PayPal would no longer be associated with the site. PayPal becomes a conduit for the transfer of money, and not the collector of the tips.</p>
<p>For the paying customer, the key is that the company collecting funds is trusted. An argument can be made that customers would trust BlogAds to securely collect funds.</p>
<p>On the blogger's side, they already trust BlogAds to pay what is owed. How the payment is made is not important, as long as payment is timely and accurate. BlogAds can use a number of different other companies for payout, such as BitPass. This would require bloggers to sign-up with another service, but they will if they know that payment will be timely and accurate -- and that their site isn't going to be subjected to the whims of PayPal.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizbang</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24203</link>
		<dc:creator>Wizbang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2004 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;PayPal Still Sucks&lt;/strong&gt;
I tried to warn bloggers in May that PayPal would be coming for your site eventually. Today Jeralyn Merritt and Bill Quick nearly joined the club whose only requirement for membership is that PayPal finds something they don&#039;t like about...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>PayPal Still Sucks</strong><br />
I tried to warn bloggers in May that PayPal would be coming for your site eventually. Today Jeralyn Merritt and Bill Quick nearly joined the club whose only requirement for membership is that PayPal finds something they don't like about...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24200</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remy,

Interesting. Although, ironically, BlogAds uses PayPal to both collect monies from advertisers and then to pay the bloggers.  What this means is that, for every $100 in ads sold, PayPal takes around $6 in fees in addition to the cut taken by BlogAds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remy,</p>
<p>Interesting. Although, ironically, BlogAds uses PayPal to both collect monies from advertisers and then to pay the bloggers.  What this means is that, for every $100 in ads sold, PayPal takes around $6 in fees in addition to the cut taken by BlogAds.</p>
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		<title>By: forthStooge</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24199</link>
		<dc:creator>forthStooge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quick seemed to be accusing paypal of censoring his site over his news content, (using some other violation as an excuse) which is odd, at least considering the history of paypal.  paypal was of course cofounded (with max levchin) by peter thiel.  thiel is an adamant libertarian, who&#039;s dream for paypal was that it would ultimately become a form of non-government currency.  ironically, he sold paypal to ebay for 1.5 billion u.s. dollars.  (there comes a point where a man&#039;s ideology has to give way to his pocketbook.)  so while not exactly agreeing with quick politically, we could at least call him conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quick seemed to be accusing paypal of censoring his site over his news content, (using some other violation as an excuse) which is odd, at least considering the history of paypal.  paypal was of course cofounded (with max levchin) by peter thiel.  thiel is an adamant libertarian, who's dream for paypal was that it would ultimately become a form of non-government currency.  ironically, he sold paypal to ebay for 1.5 billion u.s. dollars.  (there comes a point where a man's ideology has to give way to his pocketbook.)  so while not exactly agreeing with quick politically, we could at least call him conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Remy Logan</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24196</link>
		<dc:creator>Remy Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Bill&#039;s post:

&quot;1. Remove those items from your website that violate PayPal&#039;s Acceptable Use Policy. &lt;b&gt;For example, any link to images or videos of terrorsit executions;&lt;/b&gt; and&quot;

It seems pretty specific to me. On the other hand, I think PayPal is being stupid. They are clearly equating political speech with hate speech (also mentioned in their TOS).

I thought that the Amazon Tip Jar was PayPal&#039;s competition. 

Maybe the best solution is that some enterprising bloggers form a blogging collective that collects and distributes fees. BlogAds already has an established payment system, maybe they could expand to tip jars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Bill's post:</p>
<p>"1. Remove those items from your website that violate PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy. <b>For example, any link to images or videos of terrorsit executions;</b> and"</p>
<p>It seems pretty specific to me. On the other hand, I think PayPal is being stupid. They are clearly equating political speech with hate speech (also mentioned in their TOS).</p>
<p>I thought that the Amazon Tip Jar was PayPal's competition. </p>
<p>Maybe the best solution is that some enterprising bloggers form a blogging collective that collects and distributes fees. BlogAds already has an established payment system, maybe they could expand to tip jars.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Animal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24181</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;PayPal Blues&lt;/strong&gt;
PAYPAL BLUES....Proving that idiocy knows no ideological boundaries, PayPal has suspended the accounts of both the liberal Jeralyn Merritt and the conservative Bill Quick. Jeralyn&#039;s offense was apparently linking to a video of the beheading of Eugene ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>PayPal Blues</strong><br />
PAYPAL BLUES....Proving that idiocy knows no ideological boundaries, PayPal has suspended the accounts of both the liberal Jeralyn Merritt and the conservative Bill Quick. Jeralyn's offense was apparently linking to a video of the beheading of Eugene ...</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24176</link>
		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In TL&#039;s case, it was specifically with the latest one. Arbitrary in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In TL's case, it was specifically with the latest one. Arbitrary in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe so.  But, heck, I&#039;ve done that here.  I haven&#039;t hosted any of the videos (except briefly with the Nick Berg thing as part of a blog cooperative effort)or even the beheading still photos, but I&#039;ve provided links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe so.  But, heck, I've done that here.  I haven't hosted any of the videos (except briefly with the Nick Berg thing as part of a blog cooperative effort)or even the beheading still photos, but I've provided links.</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/daily_pundit_paypal_problems/comment-page-1/#comment-24173</link>
		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(though it is misguided)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(though it is misguided)</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did he link to a site that shows a beheading video? TalkLeft just had the same problem, so at least it&#039;s not a partisan issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did he link to a site that shows a beheading video? TalkLeft just had the same problem, so at least it's not a partisan issue.</p>
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