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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admittedly, I was a bit shorter then, but I certainly recall walking to school in western MA and not being able to see buses passing by five feet away. Between the plows and shoveled walks, there was easily 6&#039;-8&#039; of snow between the sidewalk and the roadway.

I was lucky in learning to drive. Two uncles, one a state cop, the other a busdriver, took over the training. They insisted on classes only when the roads were in bad shape. They figured--correctly--that any moron could drive on sunny days and dry roads. It took learning to drive on black ice in fog.

Living in Florida now, I can absolutely vouch for the &quot;any moron&quot; part....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly, I was a bit shorter then, but I certainly recall walking to school in western MA and not being able to see buses passing by five feet away. Between the plows and shoveled walks, there was easily 6'-8' of snow between the sidewalk and the roadway.</p>
<p>I was lucky in learning to drive. Two uncles, one a state cop, the other a busdriver, took over the training. They insisted on classes only when the roads were in bad shape. They figured--correctly--that any moron could drive on sunny days and dry roads. It took learning to drive on black ice in fog.</p>
<p>Living in Florida now, I can absolutely vouch for the "any moron" part....</p>
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		<title>By: Plaid Aardvark</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dc_snow_panic/comment-page-1/#comment-67150</link>
		<dc:creator>Plaid Aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina:  Thanks for the update, times have changed I guess (local media saw the ratings in hype I suppose).  

For the record, When I grew up in Havertown in the 80&#039;s, when it snowed we didn&#039;t get the &quot;snow panic&quot; that happens today.  

In fact, unless it was 2 inches of ice on the ground; school was rarely canceled becuase of a couple inches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina:  Thanks for the update, times have changed I guess (local media saw the ratings in hype I suppose).  </p>
<p>For the record, When I grew up in Havertown in the 80's, when it snowed we didn't get the "snow panic" that happens today.  </p>
<p>In fact, unless it was 2 inches of ice on the ground; school was rarely canceled becuase of a couple inches.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dc_snow_panic/comment-page-1/#comment-67147</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thunderbird, you must have missed the one that ripped through Arlington and skipped across the Potomac to the Maryland side a couple of years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thunderbird, you must have missed the one that ripped through Arlington and skipped across the Potomac to the Maryland side a couple of years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dc_snow_panic/comment-page-1/#comment-67122</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plaid Aardvark:  I&#039;m in suburban Philly.  KYW (local all-news radio) was going into their usual full-fledged nervous breakdown at the thought of 1-3&quot; (but it could be 3-6!!!!!  Panic!) which turned into a heavy dusting.  Seems like the usual drill to me.

(Given the results of the Eagles game, I wish we&#039;d had a 2-foot blizzard...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plaid Aardvark:  I'm in suburban Philly.  KYW (local all-news radio) was going into their usual full-fledged nervous breakdown at the thought of 1-3" (but it could be 3-6!!!!!  Panic!) which turned into a heavy dusting.  Seems like the usual drill to me.</p>
<p>(Given the results of the Eagles game, I wish we'd had a 2-foot blizzard...)</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you young folks; the first plane to land on Iwo Jima was loaded with, you guess it, toilet paper. Those giant fern leaves don&#039;t work so well with 10 inch centepedes hiding on them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you young folks; the first plane to land on Iwo Jima was loaded with, you guess it, toilet paper. Those giant fern leaves don't work so well with 10 inch centepedes hiding on them!</p>
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		<title>By: Plaid Aardvark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plaid Aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panic is the right way to put it, when you compare DC to other areas.

FiancÃ© and I were in Niagara Falls/Buffalo for Thanksgiving and, that Friday, it snowed about a foot.  The local news desk report, basically, went like thisâ¦.

&lt;blockquote&gt;âIt snowed a footâ¦..now to sportsâ&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Compare that to DC, with its 20 minutes snow doom and gloom stories lead by the âStorm Tracker Team!â  âSnow Stoppers!â  âSnow Stacker!â.   Hype, be thy name.

For this transplant (from suburban Philly), itâs almost comical, because when I grew up (not so long ago), what we got today in DC would not even be worthy of a local press report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panic is the right way to put it, when you compare DC to other areas.</p>
<p>FiancÃ© and I were in Niagara Falls/Buffalo for Thanksgiving and, that Friday, it snowed about a foot.  The local news desk report, basically, went like thisâ¦.</p>
<blockquote><p>âIt snowed a footâ¦..now to sportsâ</p></blockquote>
<p>Compare that to DC, with its 20 minutes snow doom and gloom stories lead by the âStorm Tracker Team!â  âSnow Stoppers!â  âSnow Stacker!â.   Hype, be thy name.</p>
<p>For this transplant (from suburban Philly), itâs almost comical, because when I grew up (not so long ago), what we got today in DC would not even be worthy of a local press report.</p>
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		<title>By: Reporter for Doody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reporter for Doody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Southern California panics over rainfall. The media is all over the area monitoring puddles. It paints a picture of calamity to get the area declared a disaster and obtain federal funds for clean up and damages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern California panics over rainfall. The media is all over the area monitoring puddles. It paints a picture of calamity to get the area declared a disaster and obtain federal funds for clean up and damages.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No big argument here. I guess it&#039;s that DC is actually several cities, each with its own culture and values, occupying the same geographic space.

While fading, if not completely overwhelmed by outsiders, there&#039;s a &quot;trogolodytic&quot; Washington remaining. This is the Southern city, complete with its accoutrements like the Chevy Chase, Metropolitan, and Sulgrave Clubs. Even these, though are being taken over by the new power structures, mostly involving lobbyists.

There&#039;s also Black Washington. Far Anacostia is very different from most of the rest of the city--it&#039;s also the area with the highest crime rates. But it&#039;s also different from upper 16th St, traditionally the home of the Black middle class professionals, though they, too, have fled the city. And the ganstas aren&#039;t the same as the church ladies, even if they live in the same neighborhoods.

Then there is the migratory Washington, people who are there on government assignments, or working with the &quot;support systems&quot; that feed the gov&#039;t, like think-tanks, lobbyists, and the various associations. These folks are around for two-ten years, then move off to other assignments or jobs. They, too, are the loony drivers, the die-hard liberals, the urban &quot;elite/effete&quot;.

Just have to specify which Washingtonians you&#039;ve in mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No big argument here. I guess it's that DC is actually several cities, each with its own culture and values, occupying the same geographic space.</p>
<p>While fading, if not completely overwhelmed by outsiders, there's a "trogolodytic" Washington remaining. This is the Southern city, complete with its accoutrements like the Chevy Chase, Metropolitan, and Sulgrave Clubs. Even these, though are being taken over by the new power structures, mostly involving lobbyists.</p>
<p>There's also Black Washington. Far Anacostia is very different from most of the rest of the city--it's also the area with the highest crime rates. But it's also different from upper 16th St, traditionally the home of the Black middle class professionals, though they, too, have fled the city. And the ganstas aren't the same as the church ladies, even if they live in the same neighborhoods.</p>
<p>Then there is the migratory Washington, people who are there on government assignments, or working with the "support systems" that feed the gov't, like think-tanks, lobbyists, and the various associations. These folks are around for two-ten years, then move off to other assignments or jobs. They, too, are the loony drivers, the die-hard liberals, the urban "elite/effete".</p>
<p>Just have to specify which Washingtonians you've in mind...</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Maher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved to Denver last year from North Carolina. Back east, if snow was in the forecast, it was all anyone talked about all week. And then it usually wound up not snowing.

In Denver, snow is unremarkable. So if you miss the latest forecast, you can wake up surprised (8 inches Saturday, and I don&#039;t think it was forecast at all). Yesterday we had -- seriously -- 98 mph winds, blowing snow all over the place. Seven degrees this morning. Five below forecast for tonight. And more snow.

GET ME OUT OF HERE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved to Denver last year from North Carolina. Back east, if snow was in the forecast, it was all anyone talked about all week. And then it usually wound up not snowing.</p>
<p>In Denver, snow is unremarkable. So if you miss the latest forecast, you can wake up surprised (8 inches Saturday, and I don't think it was forecast at all). Yesterday we had -- seriously -- 98 mph winds, blowing snow all over the place. Seven degrees this morning. Five below forecast for tonight. And more snow.</p>
<p>GET ME OUT OF HERE!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a real southern city, head north on the Parkway to Balitmore, Hon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a real southern city, head north on the Parkway to Balitmore, Hon.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  Agreed on the rain.

In terms of DC Metro&#039;s &quot;Northern&quot; culture I cite mostly its leftist politics and snobbishness in terms of dress, restaurant dining, and the like.  Partly, this is a function of being &quot;urban&quot; more than &quot;Northern&quot; but has much more in common with New York or Boston than, say, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, Memphis, Birmingham, or other big cities further South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  Agreed on the rain.</p>
<p>In terms of DC Metro's "Northern" culture I cite mostly its leftist politics and snobbishness in terms of dress, restaurant dining, and the like.  Partly, this is a function of being "urban" more than "Northern" but has much more in common with New York or Boston than, say, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, Memphis, Birmingham, or other big cities further South.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC is &quot;culturally&quot; Northern? Only the transplants. 

My wife&#039;s family has lived in DC since before it was DC, i.e., when it was still part of Maryland. Its native culture is very much Southern, in almost every way. 

I believe it was JFK who joked about it as combining &quot;Northern hospitality&quot; with &quot;Southern efficiency&quot;.

And, since I seem to be on a contrarian toot, I suspect the bad driving results more from not knowing just which regional bad-driving habit the next guy is practicing. If you live in one place for a while, you get used to the strange crap the local drivers pull... like right turns from the middle lane, or pulling out of parking places directly into traffic.

I learned to drive in western New England, so bad roads were no stranger to me. But in DC, I don&#039;t know if the guy next to me knows how to deal with that skid he&#039;s sliding into and (appropriately, I believe) give him a lot of extra time and space to make his mistake without taking me out in the process.

This analysis, however, does not explain panic at 1/4&quot; of rain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC is "culturally" Northern? Only the transplants. </p>
<p>My wife's family has lived in DC since before it was DC, i.e., when it was still part of Maryland. Its native culture is very much Southern, in almost every way. </p>
<p>I believe it was JFK who joked about it as combining "Northern hospitality" with "Southern efficiency".</p>
<p>And, since I seem to be on a contrarian toot, I suspect the bad driving results more from not knowing just which regional bad-driving habit the next guy is practicing. If you live in one place for a while, you get used to the strange crap the local drivers pull... like right turns from the middle lane, or pulling out of parking places directly into traffic.</p>
<p>I learned to drive in western New England, so bad roads were no stranger to me. But in DC, I don't know if the guy next to me knows how to deal with that skid he's sliding into and (appropriately, I believe) give him a lot of extra time and space to make his mistake without taking me out in the process.</p>
<p>This analysis, however, does not explain panic at 1/4" of rain.</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gives old people something to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gives old people something to do.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think a guy named Stroh would have come up with the #1 seller prior to a snowstorm:
BEER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think a guy named Stroh would have come up with the #1 seller prior to a snowstorm:<br />
BEER!</p>
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		<title>By: M. Murcek</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Murcek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t drink milk or eat bread, but when we think we&#039;re going to get snowed in down here in southwestern PA, I always make sure there&#039;s a half gallon of Wild Turkey and a crock-pot of chili in the kitchen and a couple days worth of firewood right outside the front door...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't drink milk or eat bread, but when we think we're going to get snowed in down here in southwestern PA, I always make sure there's a half gallon of Wild Turkey and a crock-pot of chili in the kitchen and a couple days worth of firewood right outside the front door...</p>
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