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	<title>Comments on: DEAN GAINING GROUND?</title>
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		<title>By: melvin toast</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dean_gaining_ground/comment-page-1/#comment-11336</link>
		<dc:creator>melvin toast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t anyone read history books?   Iowa doesn&#039;t mean anything and New Hampshire polls change with the wind.  Dean wins the candidacy even if he doesn&#039;t win New Hampshire.

He&#039;s alive; he&#039;s a straight shooter.  Clark, Kerry and Edwards are frauds.  I voted for Dubya and I&#039;m voting for him again... but I&#039;m tellin ya that if Gore had half Dean&#039;s charisma, he&#039;d be President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn't anyone read history books?   Iowa doesn't mean anything and New Hampshire polls change with the wind.  Dean wins the candidacy even if he doesn't win New Hampshire.</p>
<p>He's alive; he's a straight shooter.  Clark, Kerry and Edwards are frauds.  I voted for Dubya and I'm voting for him again... but I'm tellin ya that if Gore had half Dean's charisma, he'd be President.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zogby is extremely good starting at about 48 hours before any given election and fairly useless before that point.  Go ask a dKos alumni about Zogby and Nov 2002 if you don&#039;t believe me.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zogby is extremely good starting at about 48 hours before any given election and fairly useless before that point.  Go ask a dKos alumni about Zogby and Nov 2002 if you don't believe me.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polls do not control for multiple treatment interaction. The result is that polls have no internal validity (i.e. the results are likely not valid for the sample), without internal validity there is no external validity (i.e. the results are likely not valid for the population).

The published error margins assume internal validity, and are only meant to cover the inference to the larger population. Without internal validity, the error margin is unknowable.

Polls are better than nothing, but not by much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polls do not control for multiple treatment interaction. The result is that polls have no internal validity (i.e. the results are likely not valid for the sample), without internal validity there is no external validity (i.e. the results are likely not valid for the population).</p>
<p>The published error margins assume internal validity, and are only meant to cover the inference to the larger population. Without internal validity, the error margin is unknowable.</p>
<p>Polls are better than nothing, but not by much.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, 

Multiple treatment interaction is a threat to EXternal validity, not internal.  Public opinion have all manner of problems but those taken this close to an election are markedly better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, </p>
<p>Multiple treatment interaction is a threat to EXternal validity, not internal.  Public opinion have all manner of problems but those taken this close to an election are markedly better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dean_gaining_ground/comment-page-1/#comment-11340</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moe,

All polls have problems predicting very, very close elections, as both the 2000 and 2002 elections were.  Even if everything was perfect, 3-4% is a wide margin if the results are within it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moe,</p>
<p>All polls have problems predicting very, very close elections, as both the 2000 and 2002 elections were.  Even if everything was perfect, 3-4% is a wide margin if the results are within it!</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All polls have problems predicting very, very close elections, as both the 2000 and 2002 elections were. Even if everything was perfect, 3-4% is a wide margin if the results are within it!&quot;

Point, but I was thinking of the way everything suddenly shifted in &#039;02, just before the election.  Granted, that particular blindsiding had other factors - I remember a constant reiteration that superior Democrat GOTV procedures in and of themselves would be enough to gain seats, and never mind &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; - but the last-second shift surprised people.

Something for the Republicans to bear in mind for 2004, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"All polls have problems predicting very, very close elections, as both the 2000 and 2002 elections were. Even if everything was perfect, 3-4% is a wide margin if the results are within it!"</p>
<p>Point, but I was thinking of the way everything suddenly shifted in '02, just before the election.  Granted, that particular blindsiding had other factors - I remember a constant reiteration that superior Democrat GOTV procedures in and of themselves would be enough to gain seats, and never mind <i>why</i> - but the last-second shift surprised people.</p>
<p>Something for the Republicans to bear in mind for 2004, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible that my memory is flawed (especially since it&#039;s been a dog&#039;s age since experimental design). The Campbell &amp; Stanley list of internal and external threats at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fmarion.edu/~resdes/design/threats.htm&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; does not include it under either. Some links recently Googled had it under external, and some under internal.

It makes more sense to me that multiple treatment interaction would be a threat to internal validity, since the interaction would affect the results of my sample. I&#039;ll check it out tonight.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible that my memory is flawed (especially since it's been a dog's age since experimental design). The Campbell &#038; Stanley list of internal and external threats at <a href="http://www.fmarion.edu/~resdes/design/threats.htm">this link</a> does not include it under either. Some links recently Googled had it under external, and some under internal.</p>
<p>It makes more sense to me that multiple treatment interaction would be a threat to internal validity, since the interaction would affect the results of my sample. I'll check it out tonight.</p>
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