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		<title>By: ibfamous</title>
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		<dc:creator>ibfamous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maliki said there would be no truce, there would only be defeat for sadr... so who won?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maliki said there would be no truce, there would only be defeat for sadr... so who won?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is my understanding that Sadr (while he is descended from a line of high religious figures) got where he is by murdering a more moderate leader of his particular group.&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, he is accused of ordering the murder a more moderate leader of another group, because he was supporting someone who was suspected of involvement in the murder of Sadr&#039;s father.  Sadr already had his position before this episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is my understanding that Sadr (while he is descended from a line of high religious figures) got where he is by murdering a more moderate leader of his particular group.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, he is accused of ordering the murder a more moderate leader of another group, because he was supporting someone who was suspected of involvement in the murder of Sadr's father.  Sadr already had his position before this episode.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sadr is in Iran bolstering his religious credentials so that he can challenge (to some extent) the religious authority of more senior religious figures like Hakim and even Sistani. If Sadr progresses, he may get to the level where he can issue his own religious rulings (fatwas).&quot;

It is my understanding that Sadr (while he is descended from a line of high religious figures) got where he is by murdering a more moderate leader of his particular group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Sadr is in Iran bolstering his religious credentials so that he can challenge (to some extent) the religious authority of more senior religious figures like Hakim and even Sistani. If Sadr progresses, he may get to the level where he can issue his own religious rulings (fatwas)."</p>
<p>It is my understanding that Sadr (while he is descended from a line of high religious figures) got where he is by murdering a more moderate leader of his particular group.</p>
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		<title>By: Classical Values</title>
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		<dc:creator>Classical Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Al Sadr Wins...&lt;/strong&gt;

At least that is how James Joyner is spinning it. Let me excerpt from a comment there (with typo fixed): Sadr could have made this much messier than it was if he wanted to So true. He could have had......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Al Sadr Wins...</strong></p>
<p>At least that is how James Joyner is spinning it. Let me excerpt from a comment there (with typo fixed): Sadr could have made this much messier than it was if he wanted to So true. He could have had......</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Sadr could have made this much messier that it was if he wanted to &lt;/em&gt;

So true. He could have had 5,000 dead to clean up instead of only 500. You have to give him credit for not wanting a bigger mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sadr could have made this much messier that it was if he wanted to </em></p>
<p>So true. He could have had 5,000 dead to clean up instead of only 500. You have to give him credit for not wanting a bigger mess.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thugs come. They proclaim “real Islam” or “fighting the infidel”. They act like total criminals. They are expelled. They are not invited back.

This has been going on in Iraq for over a year.

It amazes me that so many here do not understand the dynamic.

It is rather simple. Not hard to understand. It has been repeated repeatedly.

Will Sadr come back? Well you have to ask yourself why he is hiding under a bed?

Did Nasrallah gain victory? Another guy who has to use a bed as cover. Victory for Nasrallh - “We are never going to do something that stupid again. We can shoot a few rockets every once in a while to keep up appearances.”

My favorite picture of that war - the “victors” high tailing it across a river with the unwounded holding plasma infusions for the “walking” wounded. Real winners at least have ambulances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thugs come. They proclaim “real Islam” or “fighting the infidel”. They act like total criminals. They are expelled. They are not invited back.</p>
<p>This has been going on in Iraq for over a year.</p>
<p>It amazes me that so many here do not understand the dynamic.</p>
<p>It is rather simple. Not hard to understand. It has been repeated repeatedly.</p>
<p>Will Sadr come back? Well you have to ask yourself why he is hiding under a bed?</p>
<p>Did Nasrallah gain victory? Another guy who has to use a bed as cover. Victory for Nasrallh - “We are never going to do something that stupid again. We can shoot a few rockets every once in a while to keep up appearances.”</p>
<p>My favorite picture of that war - the “victors” high tailing it across a river with the unwounded holding plasma infusions for the “walking” wounded. Real winners at least have ambulances.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone interested, go over to Big Lizards to read what Bill Riggol wrote about what has happened.  His take is just a little different from that of the NY times.  Evidently the Mahdi army has been taking serious losses each day.  They are short of ammunition due to the Iranian border being closed.  Riggol has been imbedded with the U.S. Army, Marines, Iraqi Defense Force and Iraqi police.  His perspective might be better than some analyst hiding at his desk in NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone interested, go over to Big Lizards to read what Bill Riggol wrote about what has happened.  His take is just a little different from that of the NY times.  Evidently the Mahdi army has been taking serious losses each day.  They are short of ammunition due to the Iranian border being closed.  Riggol has been imbedded with the U.S. Army, Marines, Iraqi Defense Force and Iraqi police.  His perspective might be better than some analyst hiding at his desk in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: Muqtada al Sadr and the Difference Between Democracy Promotion and Dignity Promotion &#187; Comments from Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muqtada al Sadr and the Difference Between Democracy Promotion and Dignity Promotion &#187; Comments from Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] worse, as James Joyner explains, Maliki failed.  They did not, as Maliki promised, take this thing to an utter victory, and instead had to travel [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] worse, as James Joyner explains, Maliki failed.  They did not, as Maliki promised, take this thing to an utter victory, and instead had to travel [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As I recall, Sadr is still in Iran. Not a very good example for his fighters.&lt;/em&gt;

Sadr is in Iran bolstering his religious credentials so that he can challenge (to some extent) the religious authority of more senior religious figures like Hakim and even Sistani.  If Sadr progresses, he may get to the level where he can issue his own religious rulings (fatwas).

He is not in Iran to hide, but rather to assist his larger objectives.  His fighters are more than aware of this.  In fact, they derive inspiration from his religious mission in Iran due to the wider implications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As I recall, Sadr is still in Iran. Not a very good example for his fighters.</em></p>
<p>Sadr is in Iran bolstering his religious credentials so that he can challenge (to some extent) the religious authority of more senior religious figures like Hakim and even Sistani.  If Sadr progresses, he may get to the level where he can issue his own religious rulings (fatwas).</p>
<p>He is not in Iran to hide, but rather to assist his larger objectives.  His fighters are more than aware of this.  In fact, they derive inspiration from his religious mission in Iran due to the wider implications.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading these posts, I am shocked they are being made by Americans.  If you get your news from the NY Times, you are not getting news, but propagada.  Giving credibility to the gray lady is something fewer are doing today.  Sadr sues for peace and wins???  I guess Japan won WWII.  Fools can believe what they want, and on this blog they do, but if one does just a little reading and investigating it is possible to glean the truth about a situation.  Maliki should not have allowed a militia to retain their weapons, unless they have the equivalent of our 2nd Amendment protection, as they will be used against the central government again.  But, unlike the Iraqi defense force, the Madhi army will only grow weaker with time.  Once the Iraqis reconsistute an armor force with air power, no militia will be able to stand against them.  Some of you are so full of poop you stink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading these posts, I am shocked they are being made by Americans.  If you get your news from the NY Times, you are not getting news, but propagada.  Giving credibility to the gray lady is something fewer are doing today.  Sadr sues for peace and wins???  I guess Japan won WWII.  Fools can believe what they want, and on this blog they do, but if one does just a little reading and investigating it is possible to glean the truth about a situation.  Maliki should not have allowed a militia to retain their weapons, unless they have the equivalent of our 2nd Amendment protection, as they will be used against the central government again.  But, unlike the Iraqi defense force, the Madhi army will only grow weaker with time.  Once the Iraqis reconsistute an armor force with air power, no militia will be able to stand against them.  Some of you are so full of poop you stink.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sadr didn’t press his victory further because of the gradually growing possibility that Maliki would tricked, wheedled or coerced American troops into fighting for him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;From the reports I&#039;ve heard, Coalition forces were already involved in the fighting.  Specifically they were providing air fire against Sadr&#039;s forces in Sadr City and I believe Basra as well.

&lt;blockquote&gt;and it allows Sadr’s body parts to stay attached to each other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ha!  That&#039;s some of the best wording I&#039;ve read in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sadr didn&rsquo;t press his victory further because of the gradually growing possibility that Maliki would tricked, wheedled or coerced American troops into fighting for him.</p></blockquote>
<p>From the reports I've heard, Coalition forces were already involved in the fighting.  Specifically they were providing air fire against Sadr's forces in Sadr City and I believe Basra as well.</p>
<blockquote><p>and it allows Sadr&rsquo;s body parts to stay attached to each other.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha!  That's some of the best wording I've read in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: glasnost</title>
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		<dc:creator>glasnost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mostly beacuse ths would ahve forced Maliki’s hand… soemthing Sadr couldn’t deal with given his lack of people to deploy.&lt;/I&gt;

That&#039;s not why. Sadr didn&#039;t press his victory further because of the gradually growing possibility that Maliki would tricked, wheedled or coerced American troops into fighting for him.

Sadr clearly has a quiet deal with the Petraeus. it&#039;s not without moments of friction, but it allows American troops to stay out of the South - which is a strategic neccesity for them, because they have their hands full already - and it allows Sadr&#039;s body parts to stay attached to each other.

Sadr had a tricky situation - a military assualt with the threat of a *competent* American escalation behind it. He dealt with it rather wisely, by humiliating the initial assualt and then de-escalating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mostly beacuse ths would ahve forced Maliki&rsquo;s hand… soemthing Sadr couldn&rsquo;t deal with given his lack of people to deploy.</i></p>
<p>That's not why. Sadr didn't press his victory further because of the gradually growing possibility that Maliki would tricked, wheedled or coerced American troops into fighting for him.</p>
<p>Sadr clearly has a quiet deal with the Petraeus. it's not without moments of friction, but it allows American troops to stay out of the South - which is a strategic neccesity for them, because they have their hands full already - and it allows Sadr's body parts to stay attached to each other.</p>
<p>Sadr had a tricky situation - a military assualt with the threat of a *competent* American escalation behind it. He dealt with it rather wisely, by humiliating the initial assualt and then de-escalating.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Animal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More Basra...&lt;/strong&gt;

MORE BASRA....I don&#039;t think James Joyner is right when he suggests that Muqtada al-Sadr &quot;sued for peace&quot; in Basra on Sunday, since, after all, it was Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki&#039;s side that made overtures to Sadr, not the other way......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More Basra...</strong></p>
<p>MORE BASRA....I don't think James Joyner is right when he suggests that Muqtada al-Sadr "sued for peace" in Basra on Sunday, since, after all, it was Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's side that made overtures to Sadr, not the other way......</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, doesn&#039;t this kinda of put the lie to any statement that Maliki runs a functioning, legitimate government? I mean, remember all the pundits swearing blind that there was not really a civil war going on in Iraq? And the the people the purple-fingers put into office were actively making Iraq a better, funner place to be each &amp; every day? And how the surge was working because _it_ was helping the legitimate Iraqi gov&#039;t work better?

Michael is right; Sadr could have made this much messier that it was if he wanted to - Maliki certainly couldn&#039;t have prevented him from doing so - and the most likely reason is that he wants to take over an actual, vaguely-unified Iraq when Maliki&#039;s puppet administration gets kicked out by legitimate processes, rather than a bloody coup. You say those elections are scheduled for October? Right before our next elections? Hmmmm.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, doesn't this kinda of put the lie to any statement that Maliki runs a functioning, legitimate government? I mean, remember all the pundits swearing blind that there was not really a civil war going on in Iraq? And the the people the purple-fingers put into office were actively making Iraq a better, funner place to be each &amp; every day? And how the surge was working because _it_ was helping the legitimate Iraqi gov't work better?</p>
<p>Michael is right; Sadr could have made this much messier that it was if he wanted to - Maliki certainly couldn't have prevented him from doing so - and the most likely reason is that he wants to take over an actual, vaguely-unified Iraq when Maliki's puppet administration gets kicked out by legitimate processes, rather than a bloody coup. You say those elections are scheduled for October? Right before our next elections? Hmmmm.....</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think it’s very hard to read the PNAC documents, look at the massive permanent bases we’re building and say that this wasn’t anyone’s intention.&lt;/blockquote&gt;But that is not the same as not standing down in Iraq.  Presumably we couldn&#039;t move on to  Iran and Syria without having stopped military actions against Iraqis.  Just as we&#039;ve &quot;stood down&quot; in Japan and Germany, but keep bases there so we can &quot;stand up&quot; in other parts of the region.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;pushing dominoes over in the middle east requires bases and Iraq was obviously the first of these.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well we already had Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, but Kuwait would be vulnerable to Saddam (or even Iran), and Saudi Arabia is already a tricky ally at best, and launching our democratization initiatives from there would have caused us other political problems.  Obviously a liberal democratic Iraq would have been the ideal launching point, and the war planners seemed to have assumed it would be easy to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think it&rsquo;s very hard to read the PNAC documents, look at the massive permanent bases we&rsquo;re building and say that this wasn&rsquo;t anyone&rsquo;s intention.</p></blockquote>
<p>But that is not the same as not standing down in Iraq.  Presumably we couldn't move on to  Iran and Syria without having stopped military actions against Iraqis.  Just as we've "stood down" in Japan and Germany, but keep bases there so we can "stand up" in other parts of the region.  </p>
<blockquote><p>pushing dominoes over in the middle east requires bases and Iraq was obviously the first of these.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well we already had Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, but Kuwait would be vulnerable to Saddam (or even Iran), and Saudi Arabia is already a tricky ally at best, and launching our democratization initiatives from there would have caused us other political problems.  Obviously a liberal democratic Iraq would have been the ideal launching point, and the war planners seemed to have assumed it would be easy to create.</p>
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