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		<title>By: The Bullwinkle Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Knucklehead of the Day award</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/defining_success_for_the_annapolis_conference/comment-page-1/#comment-242329</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bullwinkle Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Knucklehead of the Day award</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] United States permit it. Steps towards any kind of peace in the Middle East as James Joyner at OTB noted &#8216;this is the Middle East. Progress is almost always made in baby steps, often followed by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] United States permit it. Steps towards any kind of peace in the Middle East as James Joyner at OTB noted &#8216;this is the Middle East. Progress is almost always made in baby steps, often followed by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Knucklehead of the Day award</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/defining_success_for_the_annapolis_conference/comment-page-1/#comment-242327</link>
		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Knucklehead of the Day award</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] United States permit it. Steps towards any kind of peace in the Middle East as James Joyner at OTB noted &#8216;this is the Middle East. Progress is almost always made in baby steps, often followed by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] United States permit it. Steps towards any kind of peace in the Middle East as James Joyner at OTB noted &#8216;this is the Middle East. Progress is almost always made in baby steps, often followed by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It will take exactly one serious incident perpetrated by a handful of highly determined nutcases to bring whatever comes out of this conference down like a house of cards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I do hope the security around the Academy and the hotels is very tight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It will take exactly one serious incident perpetrated by a handful of highly determined nutcases to bring whatever comes out of this conference down like a house of cards.</p></blockquote>
<p>I do hope the security around the Academy and the hotels is very tight!</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is on old Muslim proverb we could use:kidnap them and hold them for ransom.

just a thought but it might help pay for the war effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is on old Muslim proverb we could use:kidnap them and hold them for ransom.</p>
<p>just a thought but it might help pay for the war effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure what the alternatives are, though.
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Pretty much my point.  We&#039;re going to support some oppressive regimes &lt;b&gt;and make some enemies by doing it&lt;/b&gt;.  We need to confront that reality squarely.

The Sauds are a case in point.  We support them because the alternative is much worse.  Why does that translate into ease of access to visas for all citizens of the KSA?

There&#039;s an old proverb that covers my opinion:  he who sups with the devil should use a long spoon.</description>
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I'm not sure what the alternatives are, though.
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<p>Pretty much my point.  We're going to support some oppressive regimes <b>and make some enemies by doing it</b>.  We need to confront that reality squarely.</p>
<p>The Sauds are a case in point.  We support them because the alternative is much worse.  Why does that translate into ease of access to visas for all citizens of the KSA?</p>
<p>There's an old proverb that covers my opinion:  he who sups with the devil should use a long spoon.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Presumably that would be the Camp David Accords and the subsequent Egypt-Israeli Peace Treaty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yup.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Our portion of that agreement is currently referred to as “support for oppressive regimes”, isn&#039;t it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By some, I suppose.  Not much doubt that Egypt is less than the ideal Jeffersonian democracy, to be sure.  I&#039;m not sure what the alternatives are, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Presumably that would be the Camp David Accords and the subsequent Egypt-Israeli Peace Treaty.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yup.</p>
<blockquote><p> Our portion of that agreement is currently referred to as “support for oppressive regimes”, isn't it?</p></blockquote>
<p>By some, I suppose.  Not much doubt that Egypt is less than the ideal Jeffersonian democracy, to be sure.  I'm not sure what the alternatives are, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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I can only think of one
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Presumably that would be the Camp David Accords and the subsequent Egypt-Israeli Peace Treaty.  Our portion of that agreement is currently referred to as &#147;support for oppressive regimes&#148;, isn&#039;t it?</description>
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I can only think of one
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<p>Presumably that would be the Camp David Accords and the subsequent Egypt-Israeli Peace Treaty.  Our portion of that agreement is currently referred to as &#8220;support for oppressive regimes&#8221;, isn't it?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It will take exactly one serious incident perpetrated by a handful of highly determined nutcases to bring whatever comes out of this conference down like a house of cards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could well be.  I just don&#039;t see much in the way of alternatives save doing nothing.  But there aren&#039;t many examples of long-lasting peace accords in this dispute. Indeed, offhand, I can only think of one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It will take exactly one serious incident perpetrated by a handful of highly determined nutcases to bring whatever comes out of this conference down like a house of cards.</p></blockquote>
<p>Could well be.  I just don't see much in the way of alternatives save doing nothing.  But there aren't many examples of long-lasting peace accords in this dispute. Indeed, offhand, I can only think of one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem that I have with this sort of success is that it assumes the world will stand still while progress is made at a geological pace.  As I take the temperature of the electorate here in the U. S. I see less patience with the process not more.  That&#039;s how I view the reactions I&#039;m reading to judicial sentences in the KSA, the number of Saudis among the insurgents in Iraq, and the complaints about &#147;Muslim youth&#148; in France.

It will take exactly one serious incident perpetrated by a handful of highly determined nutcases to bring whatever comes out of this conference down like a house of cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem that I have with this sort of success is that it assumes the world will stand still while progress is made at a geological pace.  As I take the temperature of the electorate here in the U. S. I see less patience with the process not more.  That's how I view the reactions I'm reading to judicial sentences in the KSA, the number of Saudis among the insurgents in Iraq, and the complaints about &#8220;Muslim youth&#8221; in France.</p>
<p>It will take exactly one serious incident perpetrated by a handful of highly determined nutcases to bring whatever comes out of this conference down like a house of cards.</p>
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