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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, what liberals said about Kerry was mainly that Republicans were wrong when they said -- as, at the time, they were saying with great enthusiasm -- that virtually all Democrats had become irrational doves who shrank from the possibility of fighting ANY war, no matter how justified.  Kerry was intended to disprove that particular point, and he did.  Unfortunately, his own views on foreign and military policy turned out to be almost as incoherent as Bush&#039;s, thus allowing the latter a narrow victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, what liberals said about Kerry was mainly that Republicans were wrong when they said -- as, at the time, they were saying with great enthusiasm -- that virtually all Democrats had become irrational doves who shrank from the possibility of fighting ANY war, no matter how justified.  Kerry was intended to disprove that particular point, and he did.  Unfortunately, his own views on foreign and military policy turned out to be almost as incoherent as Bush's, thus allowing the latter a narrow victory.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCain Represents Everything Gloria Steinem Hates &#124; McCain Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCain Represents Everything Gloria Steinem Hates &#124; McCain Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn’t prepare you to be commander-in-chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved.&quot;

This is not what liberals were saying four years ago when Kerry was running for President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn&rsquo;t prepare you to be commander-in-chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved."</p>
<p>This is not what liberals were saying four years ago when Kerry was running for President.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to two of the points above:

(1)  McCain did indeed graduate from the Naval Academy -- 894th out of 899 in his class.  While his behavior as a POW was obviously courageous, it goes without saying that a military leader -- or a President -- badly needs something besides courage, namely brains.  And a Presidential candidate who actually sings &quot;Bomb, Bomb Iran&quot; on a campaign podium would seem to be a little deficient in the latter department.

(2)  As historian and National Security Archive analyst John Prados points out ( http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/7132.html ), Kerry&#039;s &quot;outrageous post-war attacks on his fellow veterans&quot; consisted largely of veterans -- with provable records and identities -- attacking THEMSELVES publicly for engaging in war crimes.  And a great many of his, and their, other accusations regarding large numbers of totally unpunished US war crimes in Indochina have since been solidly confirmed by historians and by the press.  You may recall that the Toledo Blade won a Pulitzer in 2004 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Force ) for uncovering the activities of the Tiger Force, in a series featuring plenty of first-person confessions.

But then, it was always awfully peculiar that James Joyner could simultaneously praise Kerry&#039;s &quot;heroic service in Vietnam&quot; and accuse him of acting like Benedict Arnold the moment he got back.  You can&#039;t have it both ways, Mr. Joyner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to two of the points above:</p>
<p>(1)  McCain did indeed graduate from the Naval Academy -- 894th out of 899 in his class.  While his behavior as a POW was obviously courageous, it goes without saying that a military leader -- or a President -- badly needs something besides courage, namely brains.  And a Presidential candidate who actually sings "Bomb, Bomb Iran" on a campaign podium would seem to be a little deficient in the latter department.</p>
<p>(2)  As historian and National Security Archive analyst John Prados points out ( <a href="http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/7132.html" rel="nofollow">http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/7132.html</a> ), Kerry's "outrageous post-war attacks on his fellow veterans" consisted largely of veterans -- with provable records and identities -- attacking THEMSELVES publicly for engaging in war crimes.  And a great many of his, and their, other accusations regarding large numbers of totally unpunished US war crimes in Indochina have since been solidly confirmed by historians and by the press.  You may recall that the Toledo Blade won a Pulitzer in 2004 ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Force" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Force</a> ) for uncovering the activities of the Tiger Force, in a series featuring plenty of first-person confessions.</p>
<p>But then, it was always awfully peculiar that James Joyner could simultaneously praise Kerry's "heroic service in Vietnam" and accuse him of acting like Benedict Arnold the moment he got back.  You can't have it both ways, Mr. Joyner.</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they penned the Declaration of Independence and the Emmacipation Proclamation, exactly how much actual military experience had those Washington and Lincoln fellows? I hope the GOP has more than McCain heroism and military &quot;experience&quot; to to offer the country. Oh yes there&#039;s Kyoto, amnesty, embryonic murder for experimentation, tax increases, &quot;Hillary will make a good president&quot; foolishness, the gang of 14 rebellion, the Keating five fiasco, and that oscar winning performance over Barack&#039;s middle name ...what a list to stay home for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they penned the Declaration of Independence and the Emmacipation Proclamation, exactly how much actual military experience had those Washington and Lincoln fellows? I hope the GOP has more than McCain heroism and military "experience" to to offer the country. Oh yes there's Kyoto, amnesty, embryonic murder for experimentation, tax increases, "Hillary will make a good president" foolishness, the gang of 14 rebellion, the Keating five fiasco, and that oscar winning performance over Barack's middle name ...what a list to stay home for.</p>
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		<title>By: Elly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;General Wesley Clark, a graduate of West Point, does not have any standing within the military. His classmates, former Commanding Officers and troops know him for what he truly is: a political animal who placed his soul in hock to the Clintons.&lt;/em&gt;

True, true!
My husband was a senior Army officer who worked with Clark. The saying about him was:
&quot;General Clark is always behind you. The hard part is determining if he&#039;s back there to kiss your butt or stab you in the back&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>General Wesley Clark, a graduate of West Point, does not have any standing within the military. His classmates, former Commanding Officers and troops know him for what he truly is: a political animal who placed his soul in hock to the Clintons.</em></p>
<p>True, true!<br />
My husband was a senior Army officer who worked with Clark. The saying about him was:<br />
"General Clark is always behind you. The hard part is determining if he's back there to kiss your butt or stab you in the back"</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reminded of the old joke, to be delivered in an FDR voice:

I have seen war.

I have seen Eleanor.

I prefer ... war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of the old joke, to be delivered in an FDR voice:</p>
<p>I have seen war.</p>
<p>I have seen Eleanor.</p>
<p>I prefer ... war.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the U.S. abroad...&lt;/em&gt;

In other words, Hillary has more experience spending tax dollars than anyone else, so she is the most qualified to spend even more tax dollars than Senators Obama and McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the U.S. abroad...</em></p>
<p>In other words, Hillary has more experience spending tax dollars than anyone else, so she is the most qualified to spend even more tax dollars than Senators Obama and McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: SavageView</title>
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		<dc:creator>SavageView</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sure. But one needs experience to demonstrate judgment. That Obama got the Iraq War right, especially making one binary call, is hardly evidence that he&#039;s a fine strategic thinker. Contrariwise, McCain getting a call or two wrong -- out of dozens of calls -- hardly disqualifies him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since, of course, all judgment calls are equal.  Sugar with my coffee = pre-emptive initiation of war.  Did you happen to hear what the Saint said about &lt;a href=&quot;http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/mccain_and_thimerosol.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vaccines&lt;/A&gt;?  This, combined with the notion that he &quot;has Greenspan&#039;s book,&quot; is truly a reflection of the man&#039;s judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sure. But one needs experience to demonstrate judgment. That Obama got the Iraq War right, especially making one binary call, is hardly evidence that he's a fine strategic thinker. Contrariwise, McCain getting a call or two wrong -- out of dozens of calls -- hardly disqualifies him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since, of course, all judgment calls are equal.  Sugar with my coffee = pre-emptive initiation of war.  Did you happen to hear what the Saint said about <a href="http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/mccain_and_thimerosol.php" rel="nofollow">vaccines</a>?  This, combined with the notion that he "has Greenspan's book," is truly a reflection of the man's judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs For John McCain&#8217;s Victory &#187; Do the Democrats Really Want to Go There?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogs For John McCain&#8217;s Victory &#187; Do the Democrats Really Want to Go There?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Be sure to check out James Joyner&#8217;s full post  at Outside the Beltway Blog. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush&#039;s &quot;experience&quot; in running the Iraq War is hardly a ringing endorsement for him.

Basically, Obama is right, &lt;em&gt;judgment&lt;/em&gt; generally trumps experience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure. But one needs experience to demonstrate judgment.  That Obama got the Iraq War right, especially making one binary call, is hardly evidence that he&#039;s a fine strategic thinker.  Contrariwise, McCain getting a call or two wrong -- out of dozens of calls -- hardly disqualifies him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bush's "experience" in running the Iraq War is hardly a ringing endorsement for him.</p>
<p>Basically, Obama is right, <em>judgment</em> generally trumps experience.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure. But one needs experience to demonstrate judgment.  That Obama got the Iraq War right, especially making one binary call, is hardly evidence that he's a fine strategic thinker.  Contrariwise, McCain getting a call or two wrong -- out of dozens of calls -- hardly disqualifies him.</p>
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		<title>By: SeniorD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeniorD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Joyner,

Several points raised in your essay need clarification:

1. Senator McCain graduated from Naval Academy.  His father was Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Theater (a Four Star Billet).  One cannot easily dismiss such education and exposure to military strategic thought.  Granted, while his Academy days were not the stellar quality of a Nimitz or Halsey, his actions while a POW reflect well upon the best Naval Traditions.

2. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth showed John Kerry to be nothing than a simple &#039;gamer&#039;.  Kerry learned of a way to legally get transferred back to the US.  Thus, Kerry &#039;volunteered&#039; for Riverine Patrol Duty, made a mockery of the Purple Heart and, credibly, demonstrated a severe lack of intestinal fortitude.  His actions prior to and after his transfer to &#039;the World&#039; repudiate anything honorable about his intentions and actions.

3. General Wesley Clark, a graduate of West Point, does not have any standing within the military.  His classmates, former Commanding Officers and troops know him for what he truly is: a political animal who placed his soul in hock to the Clintons.  That is why he was named CINCEUR (until he was relieved early).  Clearly, General Clark is no Eisenhower.

4. Gloria Steinem - who believes anything she says?  The only feminist &#039;celebrity&#039; further to the left of Gloria Steinem is Barbra Streisand.  Between the two of them, they may have an IQ above room temperature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Joyner,</p>
<p>Several points raised in your essay need clarification:</p>
<p>1. Senator McCain graduated from Naval Academy.  His father was Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Theater (a Four Star Billet).  One cannot easily dismiss such education and exposure to military strategic thought.  Granted, while his Academy days were not the stellar quality of a Nimitz or Halsey, his actions while a POW reflect well upon the best Naval Traditions.</p>
<p>2. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth showed John Kerry to be nothing than a simple 'gamer'.  Kerry learned of a way to legally get transferred back to the US.  Thus, Kerry 'volunteered' for Riverine Patrol Duty, made a mockery of the Purple Heart and, credibly, demonstrated a severe lack of intestinal fortitude.  His actions prior to and after his transfer to 'the World' repudiate anything honorable about his intentions and actions.</p>
<p>3. General Wesley Clark, a graduate of West Point, does not have any standing within the military.  His classmates, former Commanding Officers and troops know him for what he truly is: a political animal who placed his soul in hock to the Clintons.  That is why he was named CINCEUR (until he was relieved early).  Clearly, General Clark is no Eisenhower.</p>
<p>4. Gloria Steinem - who believes anything she says?  The only feminist 'celebrity' further to the left of Gloria Steinem is Barbra Streisand.  Between the two of them, they may have an IQ above room temperature.</p>
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		<title>By: LaurenceB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaurenceB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But Bush had, by the 2004 campaign, almost a full term as Commander-in-Chief. That rather obviated Kerry’s advantage on military experience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I read this, I was reminded of how insignificant &quot;experience&quot; can actually be - Bush&#039;s &quot;experience&quot; in running the Iraq War is hardly a ringing endorsement for him.

Basically, Obama is right, &lt;em&gt;judgment&lt;/em&gt; generally trumps experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But Bush had, by the 2004 campaign, almost a full term as Commander-in-Chief. That rather obviated Kerry&rsquo;s advantage on military experience.</p></blockquote>
<p>When I read this, I was reminded of how insignificant "experience" can actually be - Bush's "experience" in running the Iraq War is hardly a ringing endorsement for him.</p>
<p>Basically, Obama is right, <em>judgment</em> generally trumps experience.</p>
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		<title>By: al bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>al bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I searched  the Post for a rebuttal, but to no surprise the Post once again ignored a Democrat &quot;nasty&quot;. Probably show up on Saturdays Style section in the page 3 garbage column. Normally that is where they hide the Democrat baloney that they are too embarrassed to print else where. They hid Hillairy&#039;s tepid Gandhi joke; in the middle between two throwaways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I searched  the Post for a rebuttal, but to no surprise the Post once again ignored a Democrat "nasty". Probably show up on Saturdays Style section in the page 3 garbage column. Normally that is where they hide the Democrat baloney that they are too embarrassed to print else where. They hid Hillairy's tepid Gandhi joke; in the middle between two throwaways.</p>
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		<title>By: Pug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama asked yesterday what specific foreign polciy experience does Hillary Clinton allege she has that makes her so suited to be commander-in-chief?  I wish she would answer the question.

This is an argument McCain will win against either Clinton or Obama and it is what he wants to make the election about.  Stupid, Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama asked yesterday what specific foreign polciy experience does Hillary Clinton allege she has that makes her so suited to be commander-in-chief?  I wish she would answer the question.</p>
<p>This is an argument McCain will win against either Clinton or Obama and it is what he wants to make the election about.  Stupid, Hillary.</p>
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