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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it is worth, Canada and Germany both have federal systems, and both have socialized medicine (of very different types, I would add).

Alex is almost proposing a confederal arrangement which also oversimplifies the blue/red dichotomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it is worth, Canada and Germany both have federal systems, and both have socialized medicine (of very different types, I would add).</p>
<p>Alex is almost proposing a confederal arrangement which also oversimplifies the blue/red dichotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m assuming that those of you who support this type of federalization would also support the reallocation of federal tax dollars that would be necessary to support it. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure, although it would be a more general system. Basically, the federal government would offer funding (whether in the form of a percentage of costs or a lump sum payment, or even in the form of delegating a certain amount of federal tax revenue) to the states (earmarked for health care), provided that they created a system that met certain standards in providing universal coverage and care, and agreed to allow the federal government to investigate potential abuses and conduct studies. 

That would allow the states to experiment with a variety of universal health care models, while adapting to the variation in costs on a state-by-state basis. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Since most red states are net recipients of federal money, I somehow think that the residents of the red states would not be as welcoming of this proposal as Alex and James may think.
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States are almost always open to more money as long as the money stays there (and they don&#039;t get slammed with an unfunded obligation later when it runs out), and that usually applies even when the program is controversial. A major part of the integration of the school system in the 1960s, for example, was due to a massive expansion in federal school funding to schools who met the requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm assuming that those of you who support this type of federalization would also support the reallocation of federal tax dollars that would be necessary to support it. </p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, although it would be a more general system. Basically, the federal government would offer funding (whether in the form of a percentage of costs or a lump sum payment, or even in the form of delegating a certain amount of federal tax revenue) to the states (earmarked for health care), provided that they created a system that met certain standards in providing universal coverage and care, and agreed to allow the federal government to investigate potential abuses and conduct studies. </p>
<p>That would allow the states to experiment with a variety of universal health care models, while adapting to the variation in costs on a state-by-state basis. </p>
<blockquote><p>Since most red states are net recipients of federal money, I somehow think that the residents of the red states would not be as welcoming of this proposal as Alex and James may think.
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<p>States are almost always open to more money as long as the money stays there (and they don't get slammed with an unfunded obligation later when it runs out), and that usually applies even when the program is controversial. A major part of the integration of the school system in the 1960s, for example, was due to a massive expansion in federal school funding to schools who met the requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Donegal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Donegal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming that those of you who support this type of federalization would also support the reallocation of federal tax dollars that would be necessary to support it.  Since most red states are net recipients of federal money, I somehow think that the residents of the red states would not be as welcoming of this proposal as Alex and James may think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm assuming that those of you who support this type of federalization would also support the reallocation of federal tax dollars that would be necessary to support it.  Since most red states are net recipients of federal money, I somehow think that the residents of the red states would not be as welcoming of this proposal as Alex and James may think.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the blues living in the bluest states would be that happy. See Mass. and their health care.

I do agree that it is the right way to go (and is actually the way the constitution envisioned the country working). Then we could let the blue states create their utopias and study the results. Again, see Mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure the blues living in the bluest states would be that happy. See Mass. and their health care.</p>
<p>I do agree that it is the right way to go (and is actually the way the constitution envisioned the country working). Then we could let the blue states create their utopias and study the results. Again, see Mass.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a practical standpoint, you have to deal with the federal preemption of state laws on employee benefits under ERISA and possibly even the tax incentives from the federal income tax&#039;s treatment of such benefits.

But also wasn&#039;t their evidence or at least concern that the Massachusetts program was drawing less healthy people into their state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a practical standpoint, you have to deal with the federal preemption of state laws on employee benefits under ERISA and possibly even the tax incentives from the federal income tax's treatment of such benefits.</p>
<p>But also wasn't their evidence or at least concern that the Massachusetts program was drawing less healthy people into their state?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The public&#039;s distaste for Congress is more than just what they do and don&#039;t do.  The public rightly sees congressmen as being for sale, corrupted by the drive for reelection and power.  State legislatures are similarly corrupt but no to the same degree and still somewhat accessible to the common citizen.

Like Sam I think it may be too early to make a call on health care but we can hope it fails.  Why not let the states test new policies before the nation takes them on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public's distaste for Congress is more than just what they do and don't do.  The public rightly sees congressmen as being for sale, corrupted by the drive for reelection and power.  State legislatures are similarly corrupt but no to the same degree and still somewhat accessible to the common citizen.</p>
<p>Like Sam I think it may be too early to make a call on health care but we can hope it fails.  Why not let the states test new policies before the nation takes them on?</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, federalism is inconsistent with progressive utopianism.  The idea of convincing someone with a smaller pilot project that it is in their best interests to implement some sort of social engineering program instead of forcing everyone to do it becayse you just know what is better for them would seem to be anathema to most progressives.

It seems to me that I took some crap in this space a month or so ago for noting that federalism was meant to allow a lot of little experiments in democracy where the better ideas would win out over time.  Sadly, some folks seem to think they already have all the answers and their hubris blinds them to the deficiencies and unintended consequences of their hasty, ill-considered actions, e.g., rushing through forklift legislation for a massive change in health care for everyone that few have read and even fewer understand rather than implementing an incremental approach that gives the affected cultures and organizations time to adapt to what must be very significant changes, no matter what shape reform ultimately takes.  The ludicrousness of the assertion that something, anything, must be done right now is exceeded only by the insane presumption that the sausage being produced will be the perfect sausage, delivering miraculous levels of service to more people at a lower cost with minimal effort and no sacrifice!  Why, who could possibly be against that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, federalism is inconsistent with progressive utopianism.  The idea of convincing someone with a smaller pilot project that it is in their best interests to implement some sort of social engineering program instead of forcing everyone to do it becayse you just know what is better for them would seem to be anathema to most progressives.</p>
<p>It seems to me that I took some crap in this space a month or so ago for noting that federalism was meant to allow a lot of little experiments in democracy where the better ideas would win out over time.  Sadly, some folks seem to think they already have all the answers and their hubris blinds them to the deficiencies and unintended consequences of their hasty, ill-considered actions, e.g., rushing through forklift legislation for a massive change in health care for everyone that few have read and even fewer understand rather than implementing an incremental approach that gives the affected cultures and organizations time to adapt to what must be very significant changes, no matter what shape reform ultimately takes.  The ludicrousness of the assertion that something, anything, must be done right now is exceeded only by the insane presumption that the sausage being produced will be the perfect sausage, delivering miraculous levels of service to more people at a lower cost with minimal effort and no sacrifice!  Why, who could possibly be against that?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Alex Massie argues that the current inability of the Democrats to pass meaningful health care reform&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alex is engaging a little gun jumping, doncha think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Alex Massie argues that the current inability of the Democrats to pass meaningful health care reform</p></blockquote>
<p>Alex is engaging a little gun jumping, doncha think?</p>
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