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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/deracialization_and_barack_obama/comment-page-1/#comment-488579</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Chris, let me fine-tune what I said.  Wright&#039;s blatherings do harm Obama somewhat more than ultra-right fundamentalist blatherings by a white preacher would harm a white candidate, for the obvious reason that there are more whites than blacks in this country and so obnoxious white pastors still have much larger congregations than obnoxious black pastors.  (Which, of course, is why GOP candidates -- including McCain -- are still so VERY careful not to alienate the white ones.  Shortly before Falwell&#039;s death, McCain was openly and gushingly praising him -- and Falwell and Pat Robertson, lest we forget, announced two days after 9-11 that it was God&#039;s righteous punishment on us for starting to support gay rights.  Compares nicely to Wright&#039;s comments, don&#039;t you think?  Odd that the press said so little about it during the Wright kerfuffle.)

But -- while &quot;race&quot; was therefore indeed a relevant element in the Wright kerfuffle -- it wouldn&#039;t have been relevant at all unless Wright (unlike so many other black pastors) hadn&#039;t said so many outrageous things, and if Obama hadn&#039;t sat in his church for 20 straight years and listened to that stuff instead of walking out on it (as Oprah actually did).  Even though McCain ended up publicly gushing over the absolutely loathsome and evil Falwell, at least he didn&#039;t sit in the guy&#039;s congregation for two decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Chris, let me fine-tune what I said.  Wright's blatherings do harm Obama somewhat more than ultra-right fundamentalist blatherings by a white preacher would harm a white candidate, for the obvious reason that there are more whites than blacks in this country and so obnoxious white pastors still have much larger congregations than obnoxious black pastors.  (Which, of course, is why GOP candidates -- including McCain -- are still so VERY careful not to alienate the white ones.  Shortly before Falwell's death, McCain was openly and gushingly praising him -- and Falwell and Pat Robertson, lest we forget, announced two days after 9-11 that it was God's righteous punishment on us for starting to support gay rights.  Compares nicely to Wright's comments, don't you think?  Odd that the press said so little about it during the Wright kerfuffle.)</p>
<p>But -- while "race" was therefore indeed a relevant element in the Wright kerfuffle -- it wouldn't have been relevant at all unless Wright (unlike so many other black pastors) hadn't said so many outrageous things, and if Obama hadn't sat in his church for 20 straight years and listened to that stuff instead of walking out on it (as Oprah actually did).  Even though McCain ended up publicly gushing over the absolutely loathsome and evil Falwell, at least he didn't sit in the guy's congregation for two decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Look, both campaigns are doing what they&#039;ve got to do to win. Simple as that.&lt;/em&gt;

Agreed, though the problem will be if McCain loses his brand.  If his loses his &quot;base&quot; due to more of this kind of crap - whether it&#039;s racist or not, his &quot;base&quot; is not amused - then he&#039;ll have nothing left.  No &quot;maverick&quot;, no nothing.  All he&#039;ll have left is a relentlessly negative campaign who&#039;s only hope is to drag down Obama low enough into the mud.

As Josh Marshall notes, McCain&#039;s reputation will be completely destroyed.  If he loses, he ain&#039;t gonna have anything left...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Look, both campaigns are doing what they've got to do to win. Simple as that.</em></p>
<p>Agreed, though the problem will be if McCain loses his brand.  If his loses his "base" due to more of this kind of crap - whether it's racist or not, his "base" is not amused - then he'll have nothing left.  No "maverick", no nothing.  All he'll have left is a relentlessly negative campaign who's only hope is to drag down Obama low enough into the mud.</p>
<p>As Josh Marshall notes, McCain's reputation will be completely destroyed.  If he loses, he ain't gonna have anything left...</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that both candidates are damned if they do and damned if they don&#039;t.  As Donna Brazile noted in yesterday&#039;s ABC This Week roundtable, Sen. Obama needs to make voters comfortable with the idea of his candidacy.  If he completely ignores race, it won&#039;t have that effect.  If he mentions race, he&#039;s racializing the campaign.

Sen. McCain has a similar fine line to tread.  Since the press has made the campaign about Sen.  Obama himself, Sen. McCain &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; attack Sen. Obama or concede the election.  If he attacks too virulently, he destroys his own brand as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that both candidates are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  As Donna Brazile noted in yesterday's ABC This Week roundtable, Sen. Obama needs to make voters comfortable with the idea of his candidacy.  If he completely ignores race, it won't have that effect.  If he mentions race, he's racializing the campaign.</p>
<p>Sen. McCain has a similar fine line to tread.  Since the press has made the campaign about Sen.  Obama himself, Sen. McCain <b>must</b> attack Sen. Obama or concede the election.  If he attacks too virulently, he destroys his own brand as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - The funny thing is that the literature says that racializing the campaign is a bad tactic for Obama, as a black candidate running in a campaign with an 80-85% non-black electorate.  He wouldn&#039;t have been elected a US senator from Illinois if he had made direct racial appeals either.

The experience of Carol Mosely Braun is instructive; when she tried to run for reelection as the &quot;black candidate&quot; being persecuted by the FEC she lost, in a year (1998) that was favorable for Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave - The funny thing is that the literature says that racializing the campaign is a bad tactic for Obama, as a black candidate running in a campaign with an 80-85% non-black electorate.  He wouldn't have been elected a US senator from Illinois if he had made direct racial appeals either.</p>
<p>The experience of Carol Mosely Braun is instructive; when she tried to run for reelection as the "black candidate" being persecuted by the FEC she lost, in a year (1998) that was favorable for Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, both campaigns are doing what they&#039;ve got to do to win.  Simple as that.

Sen. Obama must racialize the campaign.  Sen. McCain must run against Sen. Obama.  Let&#039;s not claim outrage that each campaign is succumbing to the inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, both campaigns are doing what they've got to do to win.  Simple as that.</p>
<p>Sen. Obama must racialize the campaign.  Sen. McCain must run against Sen. Obama.  Let's not claim outrage that each campaign is succumbing to the inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: LaurenceB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaurenceB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the McCain campaign has already stooped so low as to super-impose Obama&#039;s photo over dollar bills, (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/setting-the-rec.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) I fail to see how they can take great umbrage over Obama&#039;s suggestion that they would stoop so low as to super-impose his image over dollar bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the McCain campaign has already stooped so low as to super-impose Obama's photo over dollar bills, (see <a href="http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/setting-the-rec.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>) I fail to see how they can take great umbrage over Obama's suggestion that they would stoop so low as to super-impose his image over dollar bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;May I suggest that the trouble with Pastor Wright -- definitely the biggest political cross Obama has to bear right now -- has nothing to do with his being &quot;black&quot;, and everything to do with his being a loud-mouthed, demagogic pain in the ass whom Obama should never had had anything to do with?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps, but I think race plays into the Wright situation two different ways: Obama was fairly clearly a member of that church in part to establish his bona fides as an outsider in black culture (descendants of black slaves don&#039;t generally consider descendants of more recent African immigrants as culturally &quot;black&quot;), and much of Wright&#039;s demagoguery centered on race, even though a lot of it reflected in animated, exaggerated form some justified grievances from the black community.  I think boisterous preaching alone (say if Obama had been a Southern Baptist with a preacher yammering on about AIDS and gays) wouldn&#039;t have been as problematic for Obama as the Wright situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>May I suggest that the trouble with Pastor Wright -- definitely the biggest political cross Obama has to bear right now -- has nothing to do with his being "black", and everything to do with his being a loud-mouthed, demagogic pain in the ass whom Obama should never had had anything to do with?</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps, but I think race plays into the Wright situation two different ways: Obama was fairly clearly a member of that church in part to establish his bona fides as an outsider in black culture (descendants of black slaves don't generally consider descendants of more recent African immigrants as culturally "black"), and much of Wright's demagoguery centered on race, even though a lot of it reflected in animated, exaggerated form some justified grievances from the black community.  I think boisterous preaching alone (say if Obama had been a Southern Baptist with a preacher yammering on about AIDS and gays) wouldn't have been as problematic for Obama as the Wright situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXvK84MPqQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a better clip&lt;/a&gt; on you tube of David Gergen calling it out that there was &quot;a very intentional effort&quot; to inject racial signals into this campaign.  You should watch the full clip previously linked on the ABC site for the schooling of George Will and his magic bow tie on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, here's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXvK84MPqQ" rel="nofollow">a better clip</a> on you tube of David Gergen calling it out that there was "a very intentional effort" to inject racial signals into this campaign.  You should watch the full clip previously linked on the ABC site for the schooling of George Will and his magic bow tie on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;you people&quot; or &quot;they all look alike&quot; are racist statements, then  he “doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.” 
certainly is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If "you people" or "they all look alike" are racist statements, then  he “doesn&rsquo;t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.”<br />
certainly is!</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems that even the conservative David Gergen was able to plainly see the man behind the curtain, Chris.  You can &lt;a href=&quot;http://is.gd/1dv1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;watch Gergen schooling George Will on the subject on This Week&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s pretty clear Gergen knows who injected race into the campaign, Chris.  It&#039;s pretty funny to see the expressions on George and the other dude&#039;s face as Gergen lays it out for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems that even the conservative David Gergen was able to plainly see the man behind the curtain, Chris.  You can <a href="http://is.gd/1dv1" rel="nofollow">watch Gergen schooling George Will on the subject on This Week</a>.</p>
<p>It's pretty clear Gergen knows who injected race into the campaign, Chris.  It's pretty funny to see the expressions on George and the other dude's face as Gergen lays it out for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the latter connection, by the way, Amygdala (poor bastard) &lt;a href=&quot;http://amygdalagf.blogspot.com/2008/07/remaking-world.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has reprinted Obama&#039;s entire Berlin speech,&lt;/a&gt; and then followed it up with the &quot;version soon to appear as translated on various rightwing sites&quot;: 

&quot;We must surrender to Al Qaeda as soon as possible; I call on you all to become dhimmis -- as soon as my civilian national security force of illegal Mexican immigrants is ready to impose this on you, along with mandatory homosexuality and 300% taxes.  Now join me and my Vice-Presidential running mate, Osama bin Laden Marx, in denouncing my honkie grandmother, you Nazis.&quot;

Come to think of it, I think Bithead has already beaten him to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the latter connection, by the way, Amygdala (poor bastard) <a href="http://amygdalagf.blogspot.com/2008/07/remaking-world.html" rel="nofollow">has reprinted Obama's entire Berlin speech,</a> and then followed it up with the "version soon to appear as translated on various rightwing sites": </p>
<p>"We must surrender to Al Qaeda as soon as possible; I call on you all to become dhimmis -- as soon as my civilian national security force of illegal Mexican immigrants is ready to impose this on you, along with mandatory homosexuality and 300% taxes.  Now join me and my Vice-Presidential running mate, Osama bin Laden Marx, in denouncing my honkie grandmother, you Nazis."</p>
<p>Come to think of it, I think Bithead has already beaten him to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let&#039;s face it: there HAVE been some sleazy accusations against him -- although they revolve less around his being black than about his supposedly being Moslem, or about being a furriner who is not really concerned with the well-being of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let's face it: there HAVE been some sleazy accusations against him -- although they revolve less around his being black than about his supposedly being Moslem, or about being a furriner who is not really concerned with the well-being of America.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is now “racist” to hint that others are going to use a candidate’s race against him?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t believe Obama&#039;s comment was racist in itself, but rather &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; playing the race card. Claiming negative ads as being the fruits of racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is now “racist” to hint that others are going to use a candidate&rsquo;s race against him?</i></p>
<p>I don't believe Obama's comment was racist in itself, but rather <b>was</b> playing the race card. Claiming negative ads as being the fruits of racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of being stripped of my long-time Liberal Brownie Badge, may I suggest that the trouble with Pastor Wright -- definitely the biggest political cross Obama has to bear right now -- has nothing to do with his being &quot;black&quot;, and everything to do with his being a loud-mouthed, demagogic pain in the ass whom Obama should never had had anything to do with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of being stripped of my long-time Liberal Brownie Badge, may I suggest that the trouble with Pastor Wright -- definitely the biggest political cross Obama has to bear right now -- has nothing to do with his being "black", and everything to do with his being a loud-mouthed, demagogic pain in the ass whom Obama should never had had anything to do with?</p>
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