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		<title>By: Obama Uber Alles? Media Ignore Gaffes In White House Call with Rabbis &#124; linkthe.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Uber Alles? Media Ignore Gaffes In White House Call with Rabbis &#124; linkthe.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dick Cheney&#8217;s Tell-All Book (outsidethebeltway.com)        Related Ways to Take Action: Give Thanks to Bush, Jr. for electing President Obama! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekend Opinionator: From Bush v. Gore to Cheney v. Bush - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Opinionator: From Bush v. Gore to Cheney v. Bush - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner of Outside the Beltway criticizes Cheney&#8217;s decision to speak his mind on Bush &#8212; &#8220;Unless one resigns in protest, one owes a certainly loyalty to those whom [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner of Outside the Beltway criticizes Cheney&#8217;s decision to speak his mind on Bush &#8212; &#8220;Unless one resigns in protest, one owes a certainly loyalty to those whom [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cheney set to tell all about Bush and his time in the White House &#171; The Western Experience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheney set to tell all about Bush and his time in the White House &#171; The Western Experience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Outside the Beltway &#124; I’m generally with Old Dick Cheney on this one. Unless one resigns in protest, one owes a certainly loyalty to those whom one serves. Cheney is one of the more controversial and important figures in recent American political history, though, and getting his considered reflections on why things unfolded as they did should be fascinating. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Outside the Beltway | I&rsquo;m generally with Old Dick Cheney on this one. Unless one resigns in protest, one owes a certainly loyalty to those whom one serves. Cheney is one of the more controversial and important figures in recent American political history, though, and getting his considered reflections on why things unfolded as they did should be fascinating. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Trumwill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trumwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Unless one resigns in protest, one owes a certainly loyalty to those whom one serves. &lt;/i&gt;

I broadly agree with this, but the Vice Presidency is a special case. Technically, the VP doesn&#039;t &quot;serve&quot; the president. The presidential nominee may pick the VP out of custom, but he is an elected official in his own right and cannot be fired. Further, there&#039;s no way for him to keep the position he was elected to but resign his place at the table.

At the same time, he could have spoken up at the time and asserted his platform as an independently elected official (albeit one with little formal responsibility) and he chose not to. Doing so now somewhat (though not entirely) falls into the category of what you&#039;re referring to. 

On the last hand, he could have perceived using his position to speak out against the POTUS in a time of war as something less than patriotic whereas speaking out against a former president something different. But he certainly hasn&#039;t extended Obama that courtesy.

Lastly, I should point out that by suggesting that Bush was more reasonable and pragmatic in his second term, Cheney is doing him a favor of sorts by bringing attention to Joyner&#039;s observations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Unless one resigns in protest, one owes a certainly loyalty to those whom one serves. </i></p>
<p>I broadly agree with this, but the Vice Presidency is a special case. Technically, the VP doesn't "serve" the president. The presidential nominee may pick the VP out of custom, but he is an elected official in his own right and cannot be fired. Further, there's no way for him to keep the position he was elected to but resign his place at the table.</p>
<p>At the same time, he could have spoken up at the time and asserted his platform as an independently elected official (albeit one with little formal responsibility) and he chose not to. Doing so now somewhat (though not entirely) falls into the category of what you're referring to. </p>
<p>On the last hand, he could have perceived using his position to speak out against the POTUS in a time of war as something less than patriotic whereas speaking out against a former president something different. But he certainly hasn't extended Obama that courtesy.</p>
<p>Lastly, I should point out that by suggesting that Bush was more reasonable and pragmatic in his second term, Cheney is doing him a favor of sorts by bringing attention to Joyner's observations.</p>
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		<title>By: Furhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Furhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheney is mistaken if he thought Bush was &quot;going soft&quot;.  Bush saw that our strategies weren&#039;t working and changed courses.  Now we can argue about whether we steered from one ditch to another, but at least he was man enough to realize the mistakes and try doing something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney is mistaken if he thought Bush was "going soft".  Bush saw that our strategies weren't working and changed courses.  Now we can argue about whether we steered from one ditch to another, but at least he was man enough to realize the mistakes and try doing something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I&#039;m not sure the mind of a person who promotes torture can ever fascinate. Certainly it is essential to understand how such a person&#039;s mind works, but the study will likely horrify rather than fascinate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I'm not sure the mind of a person who promotes torture can ever fascinate. Certainly it is essential to understand how such a person's mind works, but the study will likely horrify rather than fascinate.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a second, I thought Bush was a moron and a puppet.  An independent man who changed his approach over time and shunted aside hardliners just does not fit the narrative of the last eight years.

Muffler, so your a big fan of surrounding yourself with yes men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a second, I thought Bush was a moron and a puppet.  An independent man who changed his approach over time and shunted aside hardliners just does not fit the narrative of the last eight years.</p>
<p>Muffler, so your a big fan of surrounding yourself with yes men?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh?

&lt;blockquote&gt;This apparently not only hurt his feelings but, more importantly, [was] a shift away from a national strategy Cheney legitimately thought necessary to protect his country. As Kevin Drum intimates, it’s amazing that he thought we were on the right course.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;:n2: s/legitimately/illegitmately &lt;/blockquote&gt;

?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh?</p>
<blockquote><p>This apparently not only hurt his feelings but, more importantly, [was] a shift away from a national strategy Cheney legitimately thought necessary to protect his country. As Kevin Drum intimates, it&rsquo;s amazing that he thought we were on the right course.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>:n2: s/legitimately/illegitmately </p></blockquote>
<p>?</p>
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		<title>By: muffler</title>
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		<dc:creator>muffler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheney was not elected President... he was Vice President.  If he didn&#039;t agree with Bush then maybe he should have offered his resignation. Last I remember the President is the Chief Executive.  If I was a CEO and one of my subordinates was not happy with my direction while undermining my authority, I would ask for their resignations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney was not elected President... he was Vice President.  If he didn't agree with Bush then maybe he should have offered his resignation. Last I remember the President is the Chief Executive.  If I was a CEO and one of my subordinates was not happy with my direction while undermining my authority, I would ask for their resignations.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response mode ..... yes;
 Retaliation mode... maybe;
 Attack mode........ no</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response mode ..... yes;<br />
 Retaliation mode... maybe;<br />
 Attack mode........ no</p>
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		<title>By: We See The &#8220;Tell&#8221; Part, But Are Uncomfortable With The Mental Image Of &#8220;Kiss&#8221; &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>We See The &#8220;Tell&#8221; Part, But Are Uncomfortable With The Mental Image Of &#8220;Kiss&#8221; &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner http://gawker.com/5336392/dick-cheney-hates-george-w-bush-for-being-a-wuss Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Mental illness vs physical illness part 2Riding on The Titanic aka The Uncomfortable Status Quo in Singapore (Part I) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner <a href="http://gawker.com/5336392/dick-cheney-hates-george-w-bush-for-being-a-wuss" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/5336392/dick-cheney-hates-george-w-bush-for-being-a-wuss</a> Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Mental illness vs physical illness part 2Riding on The Titanic aka The Uncomfortable Status Quo in Singapore (Part I) [...]</p>
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