'shared historical prism'

In living memory, the two countries chose very different paths out of the great depression. While there is certainly some shared history, up until the 50's, the US and Germany tended to have very different views of the world. And that change was brought about by being beaten silly in WWII and then living in a divided land with a grouchy Russian bear.

Fair enough. Still, we do share the basic experience of Western Civilization - Reformation, Enlightenment, and so forth. Very different than dealing with, say, North Korea or even Russia.

. . .chose very different paths out of the great depression.

Answering the question: can you give an example of understatement?

As I recall my social studies, and that was long time ago, the ethnic Germans constitute the largest ethnic European bloc, larger than any particulur Brithish ethnic gruup such as the Scotch or Welsh, but smaller than ethnic British as a whole.

I think that process fighting two world war with the Germans, surpressed open display of germanic culture. Ethnic Germans have assimilated to a greater extent.

Yet an examination of our culture, shows deep German influence. Rather spending Sundays in church, like the Puritans, we spend Sundays playing games like the Germans. We go to baseballs games, likely Brithish in origin, but drink German style, read cold, beer and ext German style sausages, a/k/a hot dogs.

Americans have a lot ties to Germany. On the other hand, the petty, vain, snot, that passes for our President, does not seem to care for any freely elected leader anywhere in the world Then Obama has shallow American roots and but a passing fancy.

Hmmm, hates Obama, loves German culture . . .

Fair enough. Still, we do share the basic experience of Western Civilization - Reformation, Enlightenment, and so forth

I am not sure that that is entirely correct. Go back a bit further. The shared heritage of Italy, Spain, France, England, The Low Countries, and to some extent Switzerland, is much closer due to their shared Roman heritage. Even their languages have deep roots in Latin. Germanic languages are a very different breed of cat.

Though most central and western European peoples share a Celtic heritage, the wester lands that were conquered by Rome had far more advanced civilizations than Germanic tribes at much earlier dates. Modern Germany did not even become a coherent nation until 1871.

anjin,
Dutch and English are Germanic languages, not Romance. The latin influence is based entirely on vocabulary, not on syntax or construction.

Ben... Did not say Dutch and English are romance languages, but the deep roots of Latin in English are undoubtely there. Dutch is not a subject I have any knowledge of.

From Wikipedia:

English is a West Germanic language that originated from the Anglo-Frisian and Lower Saxon dialects brought to Britain by Germanic settlers and Roman auxiliary troops from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the northern Netherlands[citation needed] in the 5th century. One of these Germanic tribes were the Angles,[19] who may have come from Angeln, and Bede wrote that their whole nation came to Britain,[20] leaving their former land empty. The names 'England' (or 'Aenglaland') and English are derived from the name of this tribe.

So while there in undoubted Germanic influence upon England (anglo/saxon, after all), I think it is safe to argue that the influence of England/Western Europe upon Germany in ancient times & the middle ages is not so substantial.

Battle of the Teutoburg Forest essentially established the Rhine as the northern border of the Roman empire & the tribal culture of Germania continued to thrive long after the Roman provinces in the west moved towards a culture patterned after the highly advanced Roman civilization.

...the two countries chose very different paths out of the great depression.

You mean FDR wasn't a Fascist!? Who knew!? Someone should let Jonah Goldberg in on this little secret...

On the other hand, the petty, vain, snot, that passes for our President, does not seem to care for any freely elected leader anywhere in the world Then Obama has shallow American roots and but a passing fancy.

Oh you silly person, didn't you know? The president just loves, loves, LOVES leaders like Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Kim, and Putin...they're his best buddies...

anjin-san makes some interesting points: America's shared culture is primarily with the English and French Enlightenments, and to a lesser extent Dutch mercantilism. These were the liberal powers in World War I. German unification was forged and gained in opposition to French domination and well before WWII had exhibited an authoritarian streak that made it more comfortable in alliance with the imperial states to it's east.

It's also worth considering that Germans make up one of the largest immigrant group in America, but they came, particularly the Forty-Eighters, in rejection of German culture as illiberal.

I think you may be dismissing too lightly the influence of the Reformation and Protestantism on the settling and development of the colonies that became the United States.

Dutch mercantilism

Check this book out - The Coffee Trader by David Liss. Good stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Coffee-Trader-Ballantine-Readers-Circle/dp/0375760903/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246059503&sr=8-1

I think you may be dismissing too lightly the influence of the Reformation and Protestantism on the settling and development of the colonies that became the United States.

Not me. I would just argue that the founding was far more influenced by the reformation outside of Germany in places like France or French-speaking Switzerland (Calvin) and more specifically Scotland (Knox) and England (Puritans). None of which is intended to cast a value judgment, I just think anjin-san has a point about a lesser degree of historical connection between the U.S. and Germany.

BTW/ Somewhere on the internet I once saw a list of the books quoted or referenced by the Founding Fathers. I would love to find it again, but I would bet that the works cited were almost all either Greek, Roman, British or French.

Somewhere on the internet I once saw a list of the books quoted or referenced by the Founding Fathers. I would love to find it again, but I would bet that the works cited were almost all either Greek, Roman, British or French.

i think that that's unsurprising. the most important works of german enlightenment (think hegel, kant, herder, et al.) came after the american revolution. indeed, the most important german contributions in the field of (political) theory were made in the 19th century, which has everything to do with german history. my theory is that, in general terms, the holy roman empire did not inspire much thinking about political progress, because of its political structure.