Comments on: Dover, Kansas, Creationism and Sound Science

By: floyd

floyd — Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:23:42 +0000

my side? clearly i have not taken a position on ID in the public school. i have not even taken a position on whether there ought to be public schools. at any rate ,high cost,low quality schools are your problem and mine since we pay dearly for them. until they again teach basic reading, math,logic & reason,we should not be concerned with such childish nonsense as evolution or ID. i would just like to see high school graduates with inductive and deductive reasoning skills, the ability to make change for a ten, and read with comprehension. then just try and brainwash them!

By: Steve Verdon

Steve Verdon — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:10:27 +0000

Sorry Floyd, this isn't really my mess. Remember, I oppose ID so the problems ID poses for religion aren't really my problems.

By: floyd

floyd — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:30:37 +0000

proof that barry was right. speaking to a closed mind is like bouncing a ball against a wall, there's nobody to catch eventhough the ball comes back anyway.

By: Steve Verdon

Steve Verdon — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:54:28 +0000

So long and thanks for all the fish Floyd.

By: Steve Verdon

Steve Verdon — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:53:40 +0000

mind candy?? shucks, and all this time i thought it was a profound historical treatise[lol]oh well,there goes another explanation of history.

Well rest easy there Floyd, after all if "your side" wins on the ID debate, maybe your kids/grandkids/nieces/nephews/etc. might be learning about Raelian Design theory and that would make the Hitchhiker series look like sober academic writings. So cheer up. Of course, they might be learning about he astrology design theory. Maybe even the Church of Satan will come up with their own design theory and kids can learn about that. After all, the ID promulgated by the Discovery Institute guys doesn't tell us exactly who the designer is. Could be aliens, could be the Devil, could be Jupiter in the 7th House of Saturn.

Pretty cool, eh?

By: floyd

floyd — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:48:07 +0000

mind candy?? shucks, and all this time i thought it was a profound historical treatise[lol]oh well,there goes another explanation of history. c'mon at least it was great social satire? huh? point is it doesn't scare you like conventional creationism does. still,like evolution, phrenology is real science. antisocial people do seem to end up with more lumps on their heads??!! OK i promise to be more serious, since, as Barry Lamb once said " sarcasm is too often lost on the hearer to be useful"

By: Steve Verdon

Steve Verdon — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:45:20 +0000

Floyd,

Yes, the aliens did it is the only way for ID to be science. Are you really telling me you think God of the Bible is an alien?

Further, if you look at anybody representing the Discovery Institute position, Behe, Dembski, Meyer, et. al. they all think the designer is God. And their designer is supernatural who is omnipotent. Such an explanation explains everything and nothing. Hence it isn't science but theology, and IMO, bad theology at that.

Yes, I've read the frist 2 or 3 HGTTG books. Amusing and fun, but nothing much more than mind candy, IMO.

By: floyd

floyd — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:30:59 +0000

it is "what is six times seven?" but i bet you knew that,didn't you?

By: floyd

floyd — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:26:53 +0000

steve, if you want proof of intelligent design, read "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" the mice had the earth built as a giant computer in order to find the answer to life, the universe, and everything.BTW the answer is "42". do you know the question? PS, i really do like to read your stuff, lighten up, you've been designed to live longer that way[lol]

By: floyd

floyd — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:14:33 +0000

every scientist goes to work with his own baggage of prejudice, anger threatens an open mind, so the comment was on an open mind,not on ID. don't be afraid of wrong ideas . be very afraid of excluding ideas.

By: Steve Verdon

Steve Verdon — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:21:57 +0000

Floyd,

Sure, good science requires an open mind. However, ID is neither science (as promulgated by the Discovery Institute and their supporters) nor is it even good science in general (that is the only scientific aspect of ID is if we posit that aliens are the designers).

By: floyd

floyd — Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:15:12 +0000

ad-hominem is the refuge of those without an argument,is it the truth you seek, or just the silence of your opponents, good science requires an open mind. remember the widely accepted "science of phrenology?[lol]

By: floyd

floyd — Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:07:07 +0000

so, the purpose of dominate theory is to dominate?

By: The Politburo Diktat » Blog Archive » Kansas and Dover Evo/ID Elections

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:16:21 +0000

[...] OTB: Dover, Kansas, Creationism and Sound Science All of the winners ran as Democrats, but it is my understanding that at least 4 of the incoming board members are actually Republicans who ran as Democrats to oppose the ID favoring incumbents. Now, this doesn’t mean that Intelligent Design is banned from the school as some people like to claim. Judy McIlvaine, a winning candidate who will take a seat on the board on December 5th has said, [...]

By: Steve Verdon

Steve Verdon — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:01:52 +0000

You donât buy in? Then why do you vote for them â Bush, Cheney, etc?

So you supported everything that John Kerry said? You thought increasing troop numbers in Iraq and staying the course are the right thing to do? Just because I vote for a candidate does not mean I support his entire platform. Heck it doesn't even mean I support much of his platform. It could be I just saw that candidate as worse on many issues important to me.

You know Steve, you would actually have some credibility if your words and actions matched up. People like Herb, ignorant as they are, are at least honest. They never even pretend to be intellectually offended by the core republican electorial philosophy or policies.

I'm not a Republican. I typically don't vote Republican. So why should I buy into their electoral philosophy?

Someday I hope you grow up.

If growing up means I have to act like you ken forget it. I'll wallow in my immaturity.