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		<title>By: rodney dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peloser certainly showed, with her pre-vote rant against Bush and the Republicans, the bi-partisan leadership and lack of finger pointing we can expect of a President Obumble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peloser certainly showed, with her pre-vote rant against Bush and the Republicans, the bi-partisan leadership and lack of finger pointing we can expect of a President Obumble.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dow_drops_500_points/comment-page-1/#comment-515370</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, in this crisis, bold leadership is needed.

Palin had it just right, the entire world is waiting to see what John McCain will do.

I think he should take the bold step and &lt;em&gt;suspend his campaign!&lt;/em&gt;

Then he can return to the capital, take charge, and lead us out of the wilderness.

Only a great man, a Cesar, an Alexander, can save us now. Luckily, we have one such man at hand.

Oh. Wait. It&#039;s been done already  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, in this crisis, bold leadership is needed.</p>
<p>Palin had it just right, the entire world is waiting to see what John McCain will do.</p>
<p>I think he should take the bold step and <em>suspend his campaign!</em></p>
<p>Then he can return to the capital, take charge, and lead us out of the wilderness.</p>
<p>Only a great man, a Cesar, an Alexander, can save us now. Luckily, we have one such man at hand.</p>
<p>Oh. Wait. It's been done already  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dow_drops_500_points/comment-page-1/#comment-515364</link>
		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not to mention a lot of members of her own party voted against it-if she wanted this bill, then she didn&#039;t need the GOP.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The real losers are Blunt &amp; Boehner.  They could only get 30% of their caucus to support their position. 

Pelosi did pretty well to get 60% of her caucus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not to mention a lot of members of her own party voted against it-if she wanted this bill, then she didn't need the GOP.</p></blockquote>
<p>The real losers are Blunt &amp; Boehner.  They could only get 30% of their caucus to support their position. </p>
<p>Pelosi did pretty well to get 60% of her caucus.</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; House to Wall Street: Drop Dead</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; House to Wall Street: Drop Dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] put most of my comments on the rejection of the plan over at Outside the Beltway. I have no comment on the pragmatics of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] put most of my comments on the rejection of the plan over at Outside the Beltway. I have no comment on the pragmatics of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My gut feeling, contrary to her public statements, she&#039;d prefer the economy take a nose dive to assure an Obama victory.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree.  

Not to mention a lot of members of her own party voted against it-if she wanted this bill, then she didn&#039;t need the GOP.

I do think the &quot;She called us names&quot; sounds a bit whiney.  If they voted against it, that&#039;s fine with me, but at least be honest and say why.

But the more I see partisanship over this issue the more I wonder if it is the &quot;emergency&quot; we are being told it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My gut feeling, contrary to her public statements, she'd prefer the economy take a nose dive to assure an Obama victory.</i></p>
<p>I agree.  </p>
<p>Not to mention a lot of members of her own party voted against it-if she wanted this bill, then she didn't need the GOP.</p>
<p>I do think the "She called us names" sounds a bit whiney.  If they voted against it, that's fine with me, but at least be honest and say why.</p>
<p>But the more I see partisanship over this issue the more I wonder if it is the "emergency" we are being told it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dow_drops_500_points/comment-page-1/#comment-515305</link>
		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Again blame goes around on this one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree that it&#039;s true that the blame does in fact go all around on this one.  But it doesn&#039;t matter, there is no way the true statements &#039;Bailout fails,&#039; &#039;Republicans voted overwhelming against the bill,&#039; and &#039;Republicans kill bailout bill&#039; aren&#039;t going to be the news of the day.  How many steps is that from &#039;Republicans Kill bailout...X happens...republicans at fault.&#039;  No one&#039;s going to seriously buy the &#039;it&#039;s Nancy&#039;s fault she hurt our feelings.&#039;

How many steps to putting this directly at John McCain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Again blame goes around on this one.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree that it's true that the blame does in fact go all around on this one.  But it doesn't matter, there is no way the true statements 'Bailout fails,' 'Republicans voted overwhelming against the bill,' and 'Republicans kill bailout bill' aren't going to be the news of the day.  How many steps is that from 'Republicans Kill bailout...X happens...republicans at fault.'  No one's going to seriously buy the 'it's Nancy's fault she hurt our feelings.'</p>
<p>How many steps to putting this directly at John McCain?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the &quot;bought the blame&quot; thing is not going to work the way everyone is saying it will.

1. It doesn&#039;t appear to have had as big an impact as the pre-vote rhetoric indicated.

2. There were plenty of Democrats to vote for this thing if it really really is that necessary.

Again blame goes around on this one.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;And if reality worked that way, we&#039;d all be better off.  But the meme is already been cast, and is hardening quickly, the House Republicans will own the outcome of this.

Still, if this drop is the worst we get for not giving away $700 billion, I think I can live with that.  The bar has also been lowered now, a much smaller proposal, offered up now, might will give more confidence that it would have a week ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the "bought the blame" thing is not going to work the way everyone is saying it will.</p>
<p>1. It doesn't appear to have had as big an impact as the pre-vote rhetoric indicated.</p>
<p>2. There were plenty of Democrats to vote for this thing if it really really is that necessary.</p>
<p>Again blame goes around on this one.
</p></blockquote>
<p>And if reality worked that way, we'd all be better off.  But the meme is already been cast, and is hardening quickly, the House Republicans will own the outcome of this.</p>
<p>Still, if this drop is the worst we get for not giving away $700 billion, I think I can live with that.  The bar has also been lowered now, a much smaller proposal, offered up now, might will give more confidence that it would have a week ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailout Politics (Updated)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bailout Politics (Updated)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my update to the post below for my thoughts on the likelihood of a plan more palatable to the Republicans being brought up [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FormerHostage</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dow_drops_500_points/comment-page-1/#comment-515298</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerHostage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was such a good deal for the country and the &quot;patriotic&quot; thing to do (according to Nancy) then why did some Democrats vote against it? All Nancy had to do was to get all her people to vote the party line and it would&#039;ve been all over.

Were Republicans thin-skinned about her remarks? Possibly...or, maybe they though they saw her laying the groundwork to blame them when this whole thing went South. Look at how right now it&#039;s the Republican&#039;s fault that we&#039;re in this mess even though it was Republicans who were expressing concern years ago and Democrats who were defending Fannie and Freddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this was such a good deal for the country and the "patriotic" thing to do (according to Nancy) then why did some Democrats vote against it? All Nancy had to do was to get all her people to vote the party line and it would've been all over.</p>
<p>Were Republicans thin-skinned about her remarks? Possibly...or, maybe they though they saw her laying the groundwork to blame them when this whole thing went South. Look at how right now it's the Republican's fault that we're in this mess even though it was Republicans who were expressing concern years ago and Democrats who were defending Fannie and Freddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, I don’t think this failure of the bailout is going to be the end of the world. In watching the Dow it looks like things are slowly making their way to the 10,500 mark. If it was as necessary as the law makers made it out I’d have expected free fall in the stock market and we aren’t getting that….yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, i was hoping it would fall more, too.  But this move still is good news for me.

The first thing I did this morning was have my broker short my index fund (tied to the S&amp;P 500) since I had a feeling the markets would react poorly.

When I&#039;m shorting, I&#039;ll take a 7% fall anyday!

This is the best day of my life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, I don&rsquo;t think this failure of the bailout is going to be the end of the world. In watching the Dow it looks like things are slowly making their way to the 10,500 mark. If it was as necessary as the law makers made it out I&rsquo;d have expected free fall in the stock market and we aren&rsquo;t getting that….yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, i was hoping it would fall more, too.  But this move still is good news for me.</p>
<p>The first thing I did this morning was have my broker short my index fund (tied to the S&amp;P 500) since I had a feeling the markets would react poorly.</p>
<p>When I'm shorting, I'll take a 7% fall anyday!</p>
<p>This is the best day of my life!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;bought the blame&quot; thing is not going to work the way everyone is saying it will.

1.  It doesn&#039;t appear to have had as big an impact as the pre-vote rhetoric indicated.

2.  There were plenty of Democrats to vote for this thing if it really really is that necessary.

Again blame goes around on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the "bought the blame" thing is not going to work the way everyone is saying it will.</p>
<p>1.  It doesn't appear to have had as big an impact as the pre-vote rhetoric indicated.</p>
<p>2.  There were plenty of Democrats to vote for this thing if it really really is that necessary.</p>
<p>Again blame goes around on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dow_drops_500_points/comment-page-1/#comment-515291</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;According to one report I&#039;ve heard, Nancy poisoned the Republican well by giving a highly partisan rally speech.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So Republicans in the house are willing to flush the economy down the toilet because Pelosi was meanie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>According to one report I've heard, Nancy poisoned the Republican well by giving a highly partisan rally speech.</p></blockquote>
<p>So Republicans in the house are willing to flush the economy down the toilet because Pelosi was meanie?</p>
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		<title>By: Tad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not your father&#039;s GOP.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it&#039;s certainly not.  I&#039;m not shocked that we&#039;ve yet again reached the &#039;they hurt my feelings&#039; defense.

On a more serious note the Republicans just bought the blame for whatever happens next.  The democrats have a finite moment in time that they can point to and say &#039;we tried, but they stopped us from fixing it.&#039;  And no it doesn&#039;t matter weather it&#039;s true this would have fixed it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not your father's GOP.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it's certainly not.  I'm not shocked that we've yet again reached the 'they hurt my feelings' defense.</p>
<p>On a more serious note the Republicans just bought the blame for whatever happens next.  The democrats have a finite moment in time that they can point to and say 'we tried, but they stopped us from fixing it.'  And no it doesn't matter weather it's true this would have fixed it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The official GOP talking point is that Repubs vote, not based on what President Bush and Secretary Paulson recommend; not based on what&#039;s good for the economy;&quot;

You have gotten it completely backwards.

The GOP voted based on what they thought was good for the country, it would be up to Pelosi to convince them to vote against their initial instinct.  How&#039;s she going to accomplish that by insulting them?

Huh?

Now, the Democrats who went against her wishes are in a different situation since she hasn&#039;t insulted them.

Now, how would you feel if I called you an idiot and then asked to borrow your credit card?

If I got the President of the United States to tell you I really needed that credit card, would you?

Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The official GOP talking point is that Repubs vote, not based on what President Bush and Secretary Paulson recommend; not based on what's good for the economy;"</p>
<p>You have gotten it completely backwards.</p>
<p>The GOP voted based on what they thought was good for the country, it would be up to Pelosi to convince them to vote against their initial instinct.  How's she going to accomplish that by insulting them?</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
<p>Now, the Democrats who went against her wishes are in a different situation since she hasn't insulted them.</p>
<p>Now, how would you feel if I called you an idiot and then asked to borrow your credit card?</p>
<p>If I got the President of the United States to tell you I really needed that credit card, would you?</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/29/recriminations-recriminations-recriminations.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eve Fairbanks at TNR&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;give me a &lt;em&gt;break&lt;/em&gt;! No matter what you thought of the details of the bill, is that not the most immature thing you&#039;ve ever heard? To vote against the biggest bill of the year -- to let, as President Bush put it, the sucker go down -- because the Speaker insulted your feelings?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not your father&#039;s GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/29/recriminations-recriminations-recriminations.aspx" rel="nofollow">Eve Fairbanks at TNR</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>give me a <em>break</em>! No matter what you thought of the details of the bill, is that not the most immature thing you've ever heard? To vote against the biggest bill of the year -- to let, as President Bush put it, the sucker go down -- because the Speaker insulted your feelings?</p></blockquote>
<p>Not your father's GOP.</p>
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