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		<title>By: S. Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to write a comment of &quot;yawn,&quot; when thousands have died..   
ouch!
you need a visit from Marley&#039;s ghost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to write a comment of "yawn," when thousands have died..<br />
ouch!<br />
you need a visit from Marley's ghost.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see neocons or their supporters here say that Bush didn&#039;t lie when we see incident after incident that questions his or his administration&#039;s integrity time and again. 
   If it&#039;s not Downing Street, it&#039;s the outing of that ambassador&#039;s CIA agent wife when he discounted Administration assertions about Iraq and Nukes. 
   If that doesn&#039;t fit your fancy there&#039;s Dick &quot;If you repeat a lie long enough it becomes the truth&quot; Cheney blabbing on and on and on about connections between Iraq and Al Queda or Iraq and WMB. Several NSA, AEC and CIA analysts said it was not a slam-dunk on WMB at all. 
   Or how &#039;bout changing the global warming info coming out of the governments own scientific research to fit Bush policy. 
   Call it what you like: &quot;Mistakes&quot;, &quot;Deletions&quot;, &quot;Spin&quot;, &quot;BS&quot;. I don&#039;t care. At the end of the day it all adds up to fundamental dishonesty and it&#039;s clear that the American people are getting tired of it. 
Bush and his cronies are interested in two things: Money and power for them and their rich friends. America stop pretending that it&#039;s anything different. Almost makes me ashamed to call myself a Evangelical Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see neocons or their supporters here say that Bush didn't lie when we see incident after incident that questions his or his administration's integrity time and again.<br />
   If it's not Downing Street, it's the outing of that ambassador's CIA agent wife when he discounted Administration assertions about Iraq and Nukes.<br />
   If that doesn't fit your fancy there's Dick "If you repeat a lie long enough it becomes the truth" Cheney blabbing on and on and on about connections between Iraq and Al Queda or Iraq and WMB. Several NSA, AEC and CIA analysts said it was not a slam-dunk on WMB at all.<br />
   Or how 'bout changing the global warming info coming out of the governments own scientific research to fit Bush policy.<br />
   Call it what you like: "Mistakes", "Deletions", "Spin", "BS". I don't care. At the end of the day it all adds up to fundamental dishonesty and it's clear that the American people are getting tired of it.<br />
Bush and his cronies are interested in two things: Money and power for them and their rich friends. America stop pretending that it's anything different. Almost makes me ashamed to call myself a Evangelical Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Another word for that is LYING.&lt;/em&gt;

Hmm.  However, the memos in quite a few places also show very real concerns on the part of the British and US governments about adequate preparation for the biological and chemical weapons that they thought the Iraqis possessed.  Reading the documents, it becomes apparent that both governments did honestly believe that Saddam possessed such weapons; not surprising as many Iraqis, even in the military, did so, and Saddam wanted to convince surrounding nations that he did.

So I think it becomes extremely difficult to actually sustain the &quot;lying&quot; accusation that one hears so much of, aftering reading the memos.  It is possible to believe that they were wrong, certainly, or that they viewed the data in a way as to confirm their own preconceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Another word for that is LYING.</em></p>
<p>Hmm.  However, the memos in quite a few places also show very real concerns on the part of the British and US governments about adequate preparation for the biological and chemical weapons that they thought the Iraqis possessed.  Reading the documents, it becomes apparent that both governments did honestly believe that Saddam possessed such weapons; not surprising as many Iraqis, even in the military, did so, and Saddam wanted to convince surrounding nations that he did.</p>
<p>So I think it becomes extremely difficult to actually sustain the "lying" accusation that one hears so much of, aftering reading the memos.  It is possible to believe that they were wrong, certainly, or that they viewed the data in a way as to confirm their own preconceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvin Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is incredible to read these posts. It reminds me of the German philosopher Arthur Schopenauer
opining that &quot;A person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is incredible to read these posts. It reminds me of the German philosopher Arthur Schopenauer<br />
opining that "A person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Saddam...was ultimately not going to meet all of the demands that we had set as conditions for triggering a restart of the war. Still, had he done so, &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;war would not have happened&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
If you really believe that, you are an unbelievably credulous soul, still giving dubya and his minions the benefit of the doubt.  Tell me, why do you think Doug Feith&#039;s Office of Special Plans was created in the first place?  Why was its focus Iraq and not Al Quaeda?   Because they needed to (read my lips here) FIX THE [INTELLIGENCE] FACTS AROUND THE POLICY.  The  same thing they do when they trash science to promote their pro-pollution policies.  Their policy is all about politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Saddam...was ultimately not going to meet all of the demands that we had set as conditions for triggering a restart of the war. Still, had he done so, <i><b>war would not have happened</b></i>"<br />
If you really believe that, you are an unbelievably credulous soul, still giving dubya and his minions the benefit of the doubt.  Tell me, why do you think Doug Feith's Office of Special Plans was created in the first place?  Why was its focus Iraq and not Al Quaeda?   Because they needed to (read my lips here) FIX THE [INTELLIGENCE] FACTS AROUND THE POLICY.  The  same thing they do when they trash science to promote their pro-pollution policies.  Their policy is all about politics.</p>
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		<title>By: RattlerGator</title>
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		<dc:creator>RattlerGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My God, sometimes it is good to be reminded of just how dense these Bush-haters are.

As for not fully preparing for the aftermath, I refuse to blame any American for that. In my opinion, ANY plan would have met a similar fate. To not admit this is hubris of the worst sort.

Things are going as well as could be hoped in Iraq and BETTER than could be expected in the Middle East. I know that&#039;s driving Democrats crazy but those are the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My God, sometimes it is good to be reminded of just how dense these Bush-haters are.</p>
<p>As for not fully preparing for the aftermath, I refuse to blame any American for that. In my opinion, ANY plan would have met a similar fate. To not admit this is hubris of the worst sort.</p>
<p>Things are going as well as could be hoped in Iraq and BETTER than could be expected in the Middle East. I know that's driving Democrats crazy but those are the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: ljd</title>
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		<dc:creator>ljd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSM coving for GW?  Now I&#039;ve heard it all.  

Many reasons were given for the war.  The case was made in Congress and in the U.N.  YOUR elected officials actually AUTHORIZED the President to take action.  Now they change their mind?  How politically convenient. Kooks focus on ONE- WMD.  Please remove tin-foil hat now.  
The U.N. failed as an organization, with countries holding veto power deeply implicated in VIOLATING U.N. sanctions with Saddam (FOR MONEY)  Thereby supporting HIS war crimes. 

You have all been brainwashed by Move-On.  Please remove your craniums from the collective left-wing posterior. This Downing Memo proves nothing, and actually emphasizes the hysteria on the left.  Just look at Howie Dean- Yeearrrggghhhhhh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSM coving for GW?  Now I've heard it all.  </p>
<p>Many reasons were given for the war.  The case was made in Congress and in the U.N.  YOUR elected officials actually AUTHORIZED the President to take action.  Now they change their mind?  How politically convenient. Kooks focus on ONE- WMD.  Please remove tin-foil hat now.<br />
The U.N. failed as an organization, with countries holding veto power deeply implicated in VIOLATING U.N. sanctions with Saddam (FOR MONEY)  Thereby supporting HIS war crimes. </p>
<p>You have all been brainwashed by Move-On.  Please remove your craniums from the collective left-wing posterior. This Downing Memo proves nothing, and actually emphasizes the hysteria on the left.  Just look at Howie Dean- Yeearrrggghhhhhh!</p>
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		<title>By: baldilocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>baldilocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The 527th Cut&lt;/strong&gt;

Does the Left not remember the caterwauling that went up from sea to shining sea in response the Bush phrase ?Axis of Evil? in the 2002 State of the Union address? If it is remembered, what is the big deal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The 527th Cut</strong></p>
<p>Does the Left not remember the caterwauling that went up from sea to shining sea in response the Bush phrase ?Axis of Evil? in the 2002 State of the Union address? If it is remembered, what is the big deal</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Anarino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Anarino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, no one even wants to touch the real issue here. Why DID Bush invade Iraq? You know the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, no one even wants to touch the real issue here. Why DID Bush invade Iraq? You know the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: tescht</title>
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		<dc:creator>tescht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re; Michael Kinsley&quot;s article,
 
 &quot;Developing a paranoid theory and promoting it to the very edge of national respectability takes ideological self-confidence. It takes a critical mass of citizens with extreme views and the time and energy to obsess about them. It takes a promotional infrastructure and the discipline to settle on a story line, desseminate and stick to it.&quot;

 &quot;Developing a paranoid theory and promoting it...&quot;...&quot;It takes a promotional infrastructure....&quot;....&quot;settle on a story line, desseminate and stick to it&quot;.... 

 Gee Mr. Kinsley... That sounds like the &quot;Project for a New American Century&quot;.. They achived &quot;critical mass&quot; (of support for invading Iraq) By desseminating lies. (and sticking to it)

Oh What A Tangled (and contemptible) Web They Weaved</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re; Michael Kinsley"s article,</p>
<p> "Developing a paranoid theory and promoting it to the very edge of national respectability takes ideological self-confidence. It takes a critical mass of citizens with extreme views and the time and energy to obsess about them. It takes a promotional infrastructure and the discipline to settle on a story line, desseminate and stick to it."</p>
<p> "Developing a paranoid theory and promoting it..."..."It takes a promotional infrastructure...."...."settle on a story line, desseminate and stick to it".... </p>
<p> Gee Mr. Kinsley... That sounds like the "Project for a New American Century".. They achived "critical mass" (of support for invading Iraq) By desseminating lies. (and sticking to it)</p>
<p>Oh What A Tangled (and contemptible) Web They Weaved</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 04:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this web site very interesting.

It is not about the right or the left or republicans or democrats or the word fixed or terrorism.

It is about the responsibilty of the Presidency
itself.

How many &quot;mistakes&quot; is the President allowed?

I don&#039;t care who is in office, whether that person is a Republican or a Democrat, I hold the President and Commander-in-Chief of the military responsible for his actions and the actions of his/her staff, administration, and underlings.

It is his JOB to know what is going on, to make absolutely sure his data is correct, and that the United States Constitution as well as the law of the land and the world body, with which we are a member, are upheld.

After years of investigations and millions of tax payer dollars spent, They accused Bill Clinton of getting a blow job in the oval office.HE said it the accusation was mistaken.However they did hearings found out he indeed did lie and HE was held accountable. 

George W. Bush has had at least 8 people, who were on the inside, come forward disclosing that Bush is lying about several things that are impeachable offenses. HE says they are mistaken. So, HE is not held accountable.

George W. Bush has had valid document after valid document surface indicating his intentions in relation to and his financial relationship with, the Middle east. HE says they are mistaken. So, HE is not held accountable!

He said we bombed Iraq, because of WMD. When none were found, he said we are there because Iraq is in bed with Bin Laden. When that was proven incorrect, he said we are there to &quot;liberate the people&quot;, to promote Democracy. That is not manifesting, most women can&#039;t even leave their homes, because of the instability of the country&#039;s security. HE is mistaken, but HE is not being held accountable.

He said major combat was over, and more soldiers and innocent Iraqi&#039;s die now than ever. HE was mistaken. But, HE is not being held accountable.

Daily accounts surface of prisoner abuse and misconduct by our military(last week American ex-military-personel-now contractors came forward to disclose they were abused when falsely arrested). The Commander-in-Chief is not being held accountable!

So, I ask every thinking person on this website, how many mistakes is the President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief allowed not to be accountable for?

 This is the question I want every person, no matter what party you are affiliated with, to ask yourself and most importantly to ask your representatives.

If a CEO conducted business like Bush does, he would bankrupt his company, just like Bush did with several companies he headed and just like he has done to our country! And that CEO would be held accountable. So, why isn&#039;t the current President of the United States being held accountable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this web site very interesting.</p>
<p>It is not about the right or the left or republicans or democrats or the word fixed or terrorism.</p>
<p>It is about the responsibilty of the Presidency<br />
itself.</p>
<p>How many "mistakes" is the President allowed?</p>
<p>I don't care who is in office, whether that person is a Republican or a Democrat, I hold the President and Commander-in-Chief of the military responsible for his actions and the actions of his/her staff, administration, and underlings.</p>
<p>It is his JOB to know what is going on, to make absolutely sure his data is correct, and that the United States Constitution as well as the law of the land and the world body, with which we are a member, are upheld.</p>
<p>After years of investigations and millions of tax payer dollars spent, They accused Bill Clinton of getting a blow job in the oval office.HE said it the accusation was mistaken.However they did hearings found out he indeed did lie and HE was held accountable. </p>
<p>George W. Bush has had at least 8 people, who were on the inside, come forward disclosing that Bush is lying about several things that are impeachable offenses. HE says they are mistaken. So, HE is not held accountable.</p>
<p>George W. Bush has had valid document after valid document surface indicating his intentions in relation to and his financial relationship with, the Middle east. HE says they are mistaken. So, HE is not held accountable!</p>
<p>He said we bombed Iraq, because of WMD. When none were found, he said we are there because Iraq is in bed with Bin Laden. When that was proven incorrect, he said we are there to "liberate the people", to promote Democracy. That is not manifesting, most women can't even leave their homes, because of the instability of the country's security. HE is mistaken, but HE is not being held accountable.</p>
<p>He said major combat was over, and more soldiers and innocent Iraqi's die now than ever. HE was mistaken. But, HE is not being held accountable.</p>
<p>Daily accounts surface of prisoner abuse and misconduct by our military(last week American ex-military-personel-now contractors came forward to disclose they were abused when falsely arrested). The Commander-in-Chief is not being held accountable!</p>
<p>So, I ask every thinking person on this website, how many mistakes is the President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief allowed not to be accountable for?</p>
<p> This is the question I want every person, no matter what party you are affiliated with, to ask yourself and most importantly to ask your representatives.</p>
<p>If a CEO conducted business like Bush does, he would bankrupt his company, just like Bush did with several companies he headed and just like he has done to our country! And that CEO would be held accountable. So, why isn't the current President of the United States being held accountable?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dillon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Dillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time this memo was covered in the US...What a sham our media is~~!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's about time this memo was covered in the US...What a sham our media is~~!!</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 02:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans aren&#039;t dumb. They&#039;ve just been distracted. It&#039;s time, I believe, for the MSM to focus our country. It&#039;s time for some truth. They&#039;ve just need a little nudge. People, Americans, like you and I, are here on this site doing what needs to be done, writing what has to be said and leading our country back to the values and principles, Americans both right and left, hold dear to our hearts; TRUTH, JUSTICE, HONOR, and always LOVE THY NEIGHBOR as one loves thy self.

James my friend you&#039;re not alone. The Right I Spy Word Game &quot;So-Called&quot; just doesn&#039;t fool anyone anymore. People died. This isn&#039;t a game, this is real life with real consequences. At a cost dear to our hearts. I don&#039;t hate Bush or anyone in his administration. But the time has come for accountablity. Game over.

best wishes marie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans aren't dumb. They've just been distracted. It's time, I believe, for the MSM to focus our country. It's time for some truth. They've just need a little nudge. People, Americans, like you and I, are here on this site doing what needs to be done, writing what has to be said and leading our country back to the values and principles, Americans both right and left, hold dear to our hearts; TRUTH, JUSTICE, HONOR, and always LOVE THY NEIGHBOR as one loves thy self.</p>
<p>James my friend you're not alone. The Right I Spy Word Game "So-Called" just doesn't fool anyone anymore. People died. This isn't a game, this is real life with real consequences. At a cost dear to our hearts. I don't hate Bush or anyone in his administration. But the time has come for accountablity. Game over.</p>
<p>best wishes marie</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  The Bush administration used exactly the same intelligence information that the Clinton administration used to justify a massive bombing campaign, but the Bush administration engaged in &quot;impeachable lying&quot;, while the Clinton administration didn&#039;t.  Oh, and just this past week the U. N. weapons inspectors were screaming about missing stockpiles of materials for the building of WMDs that they&#039;d documented as existing before the Iraq invasion, but they can&#039;t find now.  The same non-existent WMD material that the Bush administration supposedly &quot;lied&quot; about in an &quot;impeachable&quot; fashion.

Don&#039;t you just hate it when the left hand doesn&#039;t know what the far left hand is doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  The Bush administration used exactly the same intelligence information that the Clinton administration used to justify a massive bombing campaign, but the Bush administration engaged in "impeachable lying", while the Clinton administration didn't.  Oh, and just this past week the U. N. weapons inspectors were screaming about missing stockpiles of materials for the building of WMDs that they'd documented as existing before the Iraq invasion, but they can't find now.  The same non-existent WMD material that the Bush administration supposedly "lied" about in an "impeachable" fashion.</p>
<p>Don't you just hate it when the left hand doesn't know what the far left hand is doing?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie,

I say &quot;so-called&quot; because 1) there is no memo with that title of which I&#039;m aware and 2) given that the PM lives on Downing St., one presumes there are thousands of memos written there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie,</p>
<p>I say "so-called" because 1) there is no memo with that title of which I'm aware and 2) given that the PM lives on Downing St., one presumes there are thousands of memos written there.</p>
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