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		<title>By: The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ports Plan Critics Pile On Bush Administration  Amid Some Softening Signs (UPDATED)...&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s almost like a classic football play, where players are piled high on top of another player. The steady drumbeat of......</description>
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<p>It's almost like a classic football play, where players are piled high on top of another player. The steady drumbeat of......</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; More on the Port Issue</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts &#187; More on the Port Issue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OTB: Dubai Port âScandalâ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole affair is good for Republicans:  

Bush isn&#039;t running for re-election and gets to yet again do the right thing, and all the R leaders get to pander to the average moronic American&#039;s fear of &quot;those ragheads&quot;. And the port contract meanwhile won&#039;t change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole affair is good for Republicans:  </p>
<p>Bush isn't running for re-election and gets to yet again do the right thing, and all the R leaders get to pander to the average moronic American's fear of "those ragheads". And the port contract meanwhile won't change.</p>
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		<title>By: Blind Mind&#8217;s Eye &#187; Much ado about something in our ports</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blind Mind&#8217;s Eye &#187; Much ado about something in our ports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner of Outside the Beltway seems to echo the typical sentiment here for many of the Bush Administration&#8217;s supporters: My only point in any of this is that people like Rep. Sue Myrick seem to think that we have somehow sold our ports or even security control of our ports to the Arabs. That&#8217;s not the case. Whether the government owned Dubai company in question can be trusted to carry out the functions previously assigned to a private U.K. firm is not something about which I have any particular insight. I merely note that the fact that there are Arabs involved is not does not constitute a prima facie case that we should deny the contract. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner of Outside the Beltway seems to echo the typical sentiment here for many of the Bush Administration&#8217;s supporters: My only point in any of this is that people like Rep. Sue Myrick seem to think that we have somehow sold our ports or even security control of our ports to the Arabs. That&#8217;s not the case. Whether the government owned Dubai company in question can be trusted to carry out the functions previously assigned to a private U.K. firm is not something about which I have any particular insight. I merely note that the fact that there are Arabs involved is not does not constitute a prima facie case that we should deny the contract. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If an American company thought it could make a profit running ports, it would be there running ports. Clearly, not many do, else this wouldn&#039;t be much of an issue, WTO obligations aside.

One US company that actually could run ports well--and does it in some places--is Haliburton. Can&#039;t you already smell the outrage if Haliburton were to take over P&amp;O?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an American company thought it could make a profit running ports, it would be there running ports. Clearly, not many do, else this wouldn't be much of an issue, WTO obligations aside.</p>
<p>One US company that actually could run ports well--and does it in some places--is Haliburton. Can't you already smell the outrage if Haliburton were to take over P&amp;O?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken:  It&#039;s conceivable that American private firms would be more conducive to our national security than foreign private firms, but by no means assured.  But foreign firms have been handling this task for years with no one complaining; a British company had the contract before this sale.

We&#039;ve got major issues--theoretical, so far, since there have been no incidents--with port security.  But there&#039;s little evidence the administrative contractor is the weakest link.  Lack of people inspecting containers is a much more obvious hole in the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:  It's conceivable that American private firms would be more conducive to our national security than foreign private firms, but by no means assured.  But foreign firms have been handling this task for years with no one complaining; a British company had the contract before this sale.</p>
<p>We've got major issues--theoretical, so far, since there have been no incidents--with port security.  But there's little evidence the administrative contractor is the weakest link.  Lack of people inspecting containers is a much more obvious hole in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Bated Sapience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bated Sapience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Politics over principle in the port kerfuffle?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Just because a company is based in an Arab nation does not mean it will hire every stevedore and shipping clerk from that nation. The boots on the ground are going to be mostly Americans, whether the overarching firm is British or Arabian. Look at Duba...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Politics over principle in the port kerfuffle?...</strong></p>
<p>Just because a company is based in an Arab nation does not mean it will hire every stevedore and shipping clerk from that nation. The boots on the ground are going to be mostly Americans, whether the overarching firm is British or Arabian. Look at Duba...</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dubai isnt al Jazeera. There is no evidence that this firm has anything in mind other than profit. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And how does that firms &#039;profit&#039; enhance our port security? If you are objective you would acknowledge that the profit motive is not entirely consistent with our security needs. That is why it would be wise to have an American firm running the ports where the profit motive would be tempered by a concern for national security. 

This is so self evident I am surprised I have to explain it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dubai isnt al Jazeera. There is no evidence that this firm has anything in mind other than profit. </p></blockquote>
<p>And how does that firms 'profit' enhance our port security? If you are objective you would acknowledge that the profit motive is not entirely consistent with our security needs. That is why it would be wise to have an American firm running the ports where the profit motive would be tempered by a concern for national security. </p>
<p>This is so self evident I am surprised I have to explain it.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/dubai_port_scandal_/comment-page-1/#comment-74459</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

This has nothing to do with Bush.  It wasn&#039;t his decision, although it&#039;s one he&#039;s now championing.

Indeed, my initial impulse was to oppose it.  But after gathering even a little evidence, my position changed. 

Dubai isn&#039;t al Jazeera.  There is no evidence that this firm has anything in mind other than profit.  

My current view is not inalterable.  If evidence comes out that this firm should not have this function, then let&#039;s suspend the contract. But we already farm these functions out to international concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with Bush.  It wasn't his decision, although it's one he's now championing.</p>
<p>Indeed, my initial impulse was to oppose it.  But after gathering even a little evidence, my position changed. </p>
<p>Dubai isn't al Jazeera.  There is no evidence that this firm has anything in mind other than profit.  </p>
<p>My current view is not inalterable.  If evidence comes out that this firm should not have this function, then let's suspend the contract. But we already farm these functions out to international concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know what the people here who are defending Bush in this fiasco would be saying if Al Gore were President and he did the same thing. They would be accusing him of treason. 

James, what would you say if it were Al Jezara buying up a bunch of local radio and TV stations? 

Would you be against that? Or would you just ignore your previous positions and just bend over for Bush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know what the people here who are defending Bush in this fiasco would be saying if Al Gore were President and he did the same thing. They would be accusing him of treason. </p>
<p>James, what would you say if it were Al Jezara buying up a bunch of local radio and TV stations? </p>
<p>Would you be against that? Or would you just ignore your previous positions and just bend over for Bush?</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entire fiasco is one for the books, The administration did a very poor job of presenting this to the people. The average man on the street is totally against this deal and with good cause. Nost Americans just don&#039;t trush Arabs from anuwhere. Look at the news,
 2 Arabs indicted in Calif.
3 Arabs indicted in Toledo,
FBI and Homeland Securty raiding middle eastens owned businesses in Louisiana.
We have had several busts all over the counrty by terrorists posing as Americans. 

Yes, Americans just don&#039;t trust Arabs and they make no distinction on where there are from.

Bush succombed to his &quot;secret Cabinet members&quot; and went along with this deal and only time will tell if he made a very big mistake. I think he did.

I don&#039;t know if this deal was good or bad, but like millions of others, I just don&#039;t trust Arabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire fiasco is one for the books, The administration did a very poor job of presenting this to the people. The average man on the street is totally against this deal and with good cause. Nost Americans just don't trush Arabs from anuwhere. Look at the news,<br />
 2 Arabs indicted in Calif.<br />
3 Arabs indicted in Toledo,<br />
FBI and Homeland Securty raiding middle eastens owned businesses in Louisiana.<br />
We have had several busts all over the counrty by terrorists posing as Americans. </p>
<p>Yes, Americans just don't trust Arabs and they make no distinction on where there are from.</p>
<p>Bush succombed to his "secret Cabinet members" and went along with this deal and only time will tell if he made a very big mistake. I think he did.</p>
<p>I don't know if this deal was good or bad, but like millions of others, I just don't trust Arabs.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrett A. Metzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrett A. Metzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although this has just become public knowledge, I seem to get the message that other countries have owned our ports commercial operations before, and still do.  My question then, is why?  We are outsourcing our manufacturing, basically due to the fact that our workers demand more wages than the products that they make can provide.  Have we been outsourcing our port commercial operations because the longshoremen require more wages than the operations can provide?
  If the above is true, it seems to me that everything we do eventually will be outsourced because the mainstream American wants a greater lifestyle than his work can economically produce.
  I am getting the impression that this port operations flap is just another blip in the continuing destruction of the American way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this has just become public knowledge, I seem to get the message that other countries have owned our ports commercial operations before, and still do.  My question then, is why?  We are outsourcing our manufacturing, basically due to the fact that our workers demand more wages than the products that they make can provide.  Have we been outsourcing our port commercial operations because the longshoremen require more wages than the operations can provide?<br />
  If the above is true, it seems to me that everything we do eventually will be outsourced because the mainstream American wants a greater lifestyle than his work can economically produce.<br />
  I am getting the impression that this port operations flap is just another blip in the continuing destruction of the American way.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have succintly summed up my feelings on this.  I think it is simply a case of &quot;those brown people are like other brown people who are scary,&quot; along with some good old American jingoism.  People often misunderestimate the profit motive, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have succintly summed up my feelings on this.  I think it is simply a case of "those brown people are like other brown people who are scary," along with some good old American jingoism.  People often misunderestimate the profit motive, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, all these liberals who abhor profiling of any kind want to profile now.  Should we prevent all Muslims from having any job where they might see classified material and pass it on to terrorist?

Ultimately Islamofism is going to have to be solved by Muslims.  We need to find a way to embrace our friends and stiffarm the terrorists.  So where do we begin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, all these liberals who abhor profiling of any kind want to profile now.  Should we prevent all Muslims from having any job where they might see classified material and pass it on to terrorist?</p>
<p>Ultimately Islamofism is going to have to be solved by Muslims.  We need to find a way to embrace our friends and stiffarm the terrorists.  So where do we begin?</p>
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		<title>By: ICallMasICM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ICallMasICM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;This is not rocket science folks, ports have been around since the dawn of civilization. Running one is childs play compared to managing a successful high tech company.&#039;

There&#039;s so much ignorance in this statement it&#039;s hard to no where to begin. Try to guess the gross tonnage going daily in and out of the 6 ports but that&#039;s childs play?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'This is not rocket science folks, ports have been around since the dawn of civilization. Running one is childs play compared to managing a successful high tech company.'</p>
<p>There's so much ignorance in this statement it's hard to no where to begin. Try to guess the gross tonnage going daily in and out of the 6 ports but that's childs play?</p>
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