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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalism is the other profession that Eliot Spitzer used frequently and much, much cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalism is the other profession that Eliot Spitzer used frequently and much, much cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Journalism is better than it was in my early days...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Well certainly not at the level of my local paper or the AP. Half the time I begin reading an article and several paragraphs in I still don&#039;t know what it is about, due to the &quot;cutesy&quot; opening describing some starving infant or darling teenager in a stylish introduction before getting to the subject of the article. When the writer does finally get to the meat of the subject I get lost in convoluted sentence structure and indefinite articles. I seldom finish the article, usually pitching the dratted paper and looking the subject up on the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"Journalism is better than it was in my early days..."</i><br />
Well certainly not at the level of my local paper or the AP. Half the time I begin reading an article and several paragraphs in I still don't know what it is about, due to the "cutesy" opening describing some starving infant or darling teenager in a stylish introduction before getting to the subject of the article. When the writer does finally get to the meat of the subject I get lost in convoluted sentence structure and indefinite articles. I seldom finish the article, usually pitching the dratted paper and looking the subject up on the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tom p -

I wouldn&#039;t drop the term &quot;complete&quot; just because of two weeks coverage out of the last two years.  But I won&#039;t quibble - &quot;almost complete&quot; free pass.  But press coverage for two years has been an absolute embarrassment to the profession.

I&#039;ve been in Hawaii for two weeks, so I haven&#039;t seen squat written about the Obama Blago connection, but news is sparse here, and my attention diverted.  

But I did hear that he sent out a Christmas Eve press release stating that &quot;nothing inappropriate happened.&quot;  Have the press followed up?  Or swallowed it whole?  Can you imagine George Bush or Dick Cheney issuing such a release?  The mad dogs would be howling.    


Oh, and by the way.  I doubt that Obama is part of any pay-to-play scam here.  But do yourself a favor and google some IL politics stories.  The Emil Jones/Obama/Blago connection is undeniable, and Emil and Blago aren&#039;t exactly saints.  Even though Obama is not said to be close to Blago (post his campaign work for him 6-7 years ago), he is attached at the hip to Emil Jones.  Its like working in the same office as a crook but keeping your mouth shut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom p -</p>
<p>I wouldn't drop the term "complete" just because of two weeks coverage out of the last two years.  But I won't quibble - "almost complete" free pass.  But press coverage for two years has been an absolute embarrassment to the profession.</p>
<p>I've been in Hawaii for two weeks, so I haven't seen squat written about the Obama Blago connection, but news is sparse here, and my attention diverted.  </p>
<p>But I did hear that he sent out a Christmas Eve press release stating that "nothing inappropriate happened."  Have the press followed up?  Or swallowed it whole?  Can you imagine George Bush or Dick Cheney issuing such a release?  The mad dogs would be howling.    </p>
<p>Oh, and by the way.  I doubt that Obama is part of any pay-to-play scam here.  But do yourself a favor and google some IL politics stories.  The Emil Jones/Obama/Blago connection is undeniable, and Emil and Blago aren't exactly saints.  Even though Obama is not said to be close to Blago (post his campaign work for him 6-7 years ago), he is attached at the hip to Emil Jones.  Its like working in the same office as a crook but keeping your mouth shut.</p>
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		<title>By: tom p</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Obama getting &quot;favorable&quot; press? Of course. He is the PE, he hasn&#039;t had to actually do anything yet, he has the highest approval rating of any PE in history(?) etc, etc, but Drew, I have to object to this statement:

&lt;blockquote&gt;One wonders how long Obama will continue to get a complete free pass.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Complete&quot;? How many headlines have you read linking Obama and Blago directly, even tho PF says Obama (or his team) have done &lt;em&gt;nothing&lt;/em&gt; illegal, are not a target in any way shape or form? How many articles have you read detailing the Obama/Blago &quot;connections&quot;? How many op/eds have you read demanding that Obama &quot;come clean&quot;? All this despite the fact that Blago is on tape saying, &quot;Obama won&#039;t give us nothing but appreciation. F*ck him.&quot; And I haven&#039;t even brought up Rick Warren.

A &quot;free pass&quot; he hasn&#039;t gotten. In the meanwhile, keep your powder dry. Soon enuf some of his promises will hit the brick wall of reality, soon enuf he will screw something up... They all do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Obama getting "favorable" press? Of course. He is the PE, he hasn't had to actually do anything yet, he has the highest approval rating of any PE in history(?) etc, etc, but Drew, I have to object to this statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>One wonders how long Obama will continue to get a complete free pass.</p></blockquote>
<p>"Complete"? How many headlines have you read linking Obama and Blago directly, even tho PF says Obama (or his team) have done <em>nothing</em> illegal, are not a target in any way shape or form? How many articles have you read detailing the Obama/Blago "connections"? How many op/eds have you read demanding that Obama "come clean"? All this despite the fact that Blago is on tape saying, "Obama won't give us nothing but appreciation. F*ck him." And I haven't even brought up Rick Warren.</p>
<p>A "free pass" he hasn't gotten. In the meanwhile, keep your powder dry. Soon enuf some of his promises will hit the brick wall of reality, soon enuf he will screw something up... They all do.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether its Woodward wannabe syndrome, just plain bias, or the requirement to be half entertainer, quality journalism is a rare commodity today   (particularly on the tube), and the profession has been in continuous decline for 25 years now.  

The head-in-the-sand denials of partisanship, mostly liberal oriented, on the part of the vast majority of the media are all fine and well for bar room or internet site spitball fights.  But as all those poll citing reporters should understand, a fed up consuming audience and their decision to tune out in favor of alternatives is undeniable and the ultimate poll.  This was really a form of suicide, as it put these media outlets in a terribly weak position when the web (or other alternatives) came along.  I suspect its too late for those media outlets to really recover, except as much diminished niche players.

It is ironic and somewhat amusing that one of the losers, and vocal complainers, about the complete collapse of journalistic integrity that characterized the recent Presidential campaign was Hillary Clinton, formerly a beneficiary.  One wonders how long Obama will continue to get a complete free pass.  His implicit and explicit (few as they were) campaign promises fall roughly into two buckets: 1) absurd on their face and 2)  extremely difficult to fulfill given real world realities.

When this becomes apparent, as surely it will, does Obama get his turn to be &quot;Hillaried&quot; for the benefit of the next smooth talker coming down the line?  His honeymoon with the media may be short lived, given their large egos combined with his tendency to be testy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether its Woodward wannabe syndrome, just plain bias, or the requirement to be half entertainer, quality journalism is a rare commodity today   (particularly on the tube), and the profession has been in continuous decline for 25 years now.  </p>
<p>The head-in-the-sand denials of partisanship, mostly liberal oriented, on the part of the vast majority of the media are all fine and well for bar room or internet site spitball fights.  But as all those poll citing reporters should understand, a fed up consuming audience and their decision to tune out in favor of alternatives is undeniable and the ultimate poll.  This was really a form of suicide, as it put these media outlets in a terribly weak position when the web (or other alternatives) came along.  I suspect its too late for those media outlets to really recover, except as much diminished niche players.</p>
<p>It is ironic and somewhat amusing that one of the losers, and vocal complainers, about the complete collapse of journalistic integrity that characterized the recent Presidential campaign was Hillary Clinton, formerly a beneficiary.  One wonders how long Obama will continue to get a complete free pass.  His implicit and explicit (few as they were) campaign promises fall roughly into two buckets: 1) absurd on their face and 2)  extremely difficult to fulfill given real world realities.</p>
<p>When this becomes apparent, as surely it will, does Obama get his turn to be "Hillaried" for the benefit of the next smooth talker coming down the line?  His honeymoon with the media may be short lived, given their large egos combined with his tendency to be testy.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t fret, Franklin.  Chicago has some fine beat reporters, and if you think that will stave off corruption.......well, perhaps you&#039;ve seen the news recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn't fret, Franklin.  Chicago has some fine beat reporters, and if you think that will stave off corruption.......well, perhaps you've seen the news recently.</p>
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		<title>By: charles johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like when I hear someone complain about the &#039;radical homosexual agenda&#039;. A red alarm goes off in my brain that says &quot;Danger! High levels of tard particles detected! Eject! Eject!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's like when I hear someone complain about the 'radical homosexual agenda'. A red alarm goes off in my brain that says "Danger! High levels of tard particles detected! Eject! Eject!"</p>
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		<title>By: charles johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Now journalists are highly trained, mobile and, especially in Washington, more elite. We make a lot more money, drive better cars and have nicer homes. Some of us think we’re just a little more special than some of the folks we want to buy the paper or read us online.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Successful people tend to think they&#039;re better than less successful people? OMG! Stop the presses! Clearly this is something that has only ever affected those evil &lt;em&gt;liberal elitists&lt;/em&gt;.

Seriously, when I hear anyone complain about &#039;elitists&#039; these days it pretty much tells me I can safely ignore this idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Now journalists are highly trained, mobile and, especially in Washington, more elite. We make a lot more money, drive better cars and have nicer homes. Some of us think we&rsquo;re just a little more special than some of the folks we want to buy the paper or read us online.</p></blockquote>
<p>Successful people tend to think they're better than less successful people? OMG! Stop the presses! Clearly this is something that has only ever affected those evil <em>liberal elitists</em>.</p>
<p>Seriously, when I hear anyone complain about 'elitists' these days it pretty much tells me I can safely ignore this idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: diane b</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need only look back at the way Sarah Palin was interviewed by Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric to see what has gone wrong with journalism.  I&#039;ll always remember how Charlie Gibson postured himself to make certain &quot;he&quot; was the one who tripped her up.   Katie Couric thinks she is a &quot;media star&quot; even though her &quot;stardom&quot; has taken her out of the media arena for just that reason.   The United States is headed down a disastrous path in what we allow.  The Washington Post was blatantly biased and admitted it.  Fortunately, they have lost and will continue to lose subscribers every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need only look back at the way Sarah Palin was interviewed by Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric to see what has gone wrong with journalism.  I'll always remember how Charlie Gibson postured himself to make certain "he" was the one who tripped her up.   Katie Couric thinks she is a "media star" even though her "stardom" has taken her out of the media arena for just that reason.   The United States is headed down a disastrous path in what we allow.  The Washington Post was blatantly biased and admitted it.  Fortunately, they have lost and will continue to lose subscribers every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually become a bit worried now that my local paper is cutting staff in half (again) ... who&#039;s going to cover the city hall stuff?  If no one is reporting on what local government officials are doing, it&#039;s ripe for scandal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've actually become a bit worried now that my local paper is cutting staff in half (again) ... who's going to cover the city hall stuff?  If no one is reporting on what local government officials are doing, it's ripe for scandal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s about right.  There&#039;s always the Lotto Syndrome:  judging your worth by the most highly compensated in the field rather than by the typical, counting on winning the lottery as a business strategy.

Back when I was thinking about what I wanted to do when I grew up (I still haven&#039;t figured that out) my parents hit on an intriguing strategy:  they had me spend the day with a friend who made his living at whatever I was interested in.  One of those was the Managing Editor of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  That pretty well discouraged me from journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's about right.  There's always the Lotto Syndrome:  judging your worth by the most highly compensated in the field rather than by the typical, counting on winning the lottery as a business strategy.</p>
<p>Back when I was thinking about what I wanted to do when I grew up (I still haven't figured that out) my parents hit on an intriguing strategy:  they had me spend the day with a friend who made his living at whatever I was interested in.  One of those was the Managing Editor of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  That pretty well discouraged me from journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s mostly right.  Surely, the wage scale is sufficiently publicized that prospective journalists are at least vaguely aware of it.  

My sense is that the problem&#039;s not so much that they think reporters make more than they do but that they don&#039;t really want to be reporters to begin with.  Almost everyone aspires to be either a columnist or a do-gooder Investigative Journalist in the Woodward and Bernstein mold.  Few are interested in hanging out at city hall or the courthouse or the police station doing beat reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that's mostly right.  Surely, the wage scale is sufficiently publicized that prospective journalists are at least vaguely aware of it.  </p>
<p>My sense is that the problem's not so much that they think reporters make more than they do but that they don't really want to be reporters to begin with.  Almost everyone aspires to be either a columnist or a do-gooder Investigative Journalist in the Woodward and Bernstein mold.  Few are interested in hanging out at city hall or the courthouse or the police station doing beat reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I dispute the first sentence of this post, James.  What&#039;s happening to the newspapers is at least in part a consequence of the unsuccessful attempt at professionalizing journalism. When you send kids to elite schools and give them journalism degrees, you get elitists with exaggerated expectations of the income they&#039;ll earn working for newspapers.  You don&#039;t get reporters.

Most of the great reporters of yesteryear didn&#039;t even go to college and those that did didn&#039;t go to Hahvahd.  Heck, neither did most of the great newspaper columnists, either.

Mike Royko didn&#039;t go to college. George Will, on the other hand, went to Trinity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I dispute the first sentence of this post, James.  What's happening to the newspapers is at least in part a consequence of the unsuccessful attempt at professionalizing journalism. When you send kids to elite schools and give them journalism degrees, you get elitists with exaggerated expectations of the income they'll earn working for newspapers.  You don't get reporters.</p>
<p>Most of the great reporters of yesteryear didn't even go to college and those that did didn't go to Hahvahd.  Heck, neither did most of the great newspaper columnists, either.</p>
<p>Mike Royko didn't go to college. George Will, on the other hand, went to Trinity.</p>
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