Needless to say, I'm sure all of those campuses most likely host other groups to encourage acceptance and diversity. *ahem*

Most offensively, this isn't an issue of patriotism; it's an issue of discrimination. Why on earth should a private school--one which is committed to non-discrimination--be compelled to offer a program which discriminates against some of its students?

Next, Hoff is wrong when she claims the lack of an ROTC discourages students from volunteering for the military. It's a red herring; nothing discourages those who have a desire to join up.

Hoff also tries to muddy the issue by making it seem as if various Ivy law schools are receiving huge Govt. subsidies--they aren't. The undergrad schools may be and they do have ROTC programs.

No, this is just another conservative-wrapped-in-the-flag swipe at those nasty old liberal schools. Why do I get the feeling that Ms. Hoff and her sycophants would be upset if various rightwing religious schools were required to make admissions based on equal opportunity or access in order to keep their subsidies?

But they are.

While I agree that there are avenues to joining the military for those who start off with that desire--and indeed make that point in the post--it is also true that having a culture that's anti-military in the schools has a chilling effect.

I suspect the Ivies get along mainly on their endowments and alumni contributions but, obviously, there is a substantial inflex from federal research grants and loan guarantees.

The anti-gay discrimination issue is a red herring. The schools that dropped ROTC almost all did so before the Ivies started caring about such things.

Fine, try getting into Regent University School of Law being either non-Christian and/or pro-choice. Best of luck to you.

While I agree that there are avenues to joining the military for those who start off with that desire--and indeed make that point in the post--it is also true that having a culture that's anti-military in the schools has a chilling effect.

Untrue. As much as you wish this were the case, it simply isn't so. I can provide a bit of anecdotal evidence, if you wish, having graduated from a federal military academy; I can attest to the fact I was always treated with respect and, I might add, friendliness and curiosity about my experiences and views.

Again, if one wishes to serve and one wishes to get the best education--it is childsplay to do so.

The anti-gay discrimination issue is a red herring. The schools that dropped ROTC almost all did so before the Ivies started caring about such things.

ROTC was dropped in the 60s as a byproduct of dissent over the Vietnam war. Subsequently, gay rights became the issue. As I'm sure you're aware, gay rights didn't really exist as an issue anywhere prior to the Stonewall uprising in 1969.

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