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	<title>Comments on: Ending the Pretense of Media Neutrality</title>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/ending_the_pretense_of_media_neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-301230</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think not, as regards Fox, YAJ. It&#039;s just tat the field has tilted so far left that Fox stands out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think not, as regards Fox, YAJ. It's just tat the field has tilted so far left that Fox stands out.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/ending_the_pretense_of_media_neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-301083</link>
		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are moving to a low trust environment for the media anyway. Certainly for conservatives this has been gaining traction for some time. Independents less so, but more than liberals. 

The success for Fox is less that they are far right than they are more neutral and thus further to the right than their competitors. Any marketer will tell you that when you have a market distribution (geographic or otherwise) that bunches towards one place, the ideal market position to take is just beyond the bunch with the largest group available. Think of a beach with a refreshment stand at the 1/4 point along the beach. The ideal market position is not at the 3/4 point which would provide equal access to any beach goer, but at the 1/3 slot which lets you contend for those in the 1/4 to 1/3 point and garner just about all the customers beyond the 1/3 point.

As such, I suspect that over time market forces will start to correct this bias. Bright people will start taking the advantages of MSM branding with a more truly neutral reporting position and start positioning closer to the center (or maybe beyond). I can make a good argument that Instapundit is an example of that with the content reached through links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are moving to a low trust environment for the media anyway. Certainly for conservatives this has been gaining traction for some time. Independents less so, but more than liberals. </p>
<p>The success for Fox is less that they are far right than they are more neutral and thus further to the right than their competitors. Any marketer will tell you that when you have a market distribution (geographic or otherwise) that bunches towards one place, the ideal market position to take is just beyond the bunch with the largest group available. Think of a beach with a refreshment stand at the 1/4 point along the beach. The ideal market position is not at the 3/4 point which would provide equal access to any beach goer, but at the 1/3 slot which lets you contend for those in the 1/4 to 1/3 point and garner just about all the customers beyond the 1/3 point.</p>
<p>As such, I suspect that over time market forces will start to correct this bias. Bright people will start taking the advantages of MSM branding with a more truly neutral reporting position and start positioning closer to the center (or maybe beyond). I can make a good argument that Instapundit is an example of that with the content reached through links.</p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never understood the fuss over objectivity.  What good does it do if journalists say they&#039;re biased?  The on-the-one-hand on-the-other style of journalism has to go, but that&#039;s logically distinct from the claim to objectivity.

Journalists do a fine job, though.  Like anyone else, sometimes they misfire, but it seems pathological to me to confuse the occasional error for a fatal flaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've never understood the fuss over objectivity.  What good does it do if journalists say they're biased?  The on-the-one-hand on-the-other style of journalism has to go, but that's logically distinct from the claim to objectivity.</p>
<p>Journalists do a fine job, though.  Like anyone else, sometimes they misfire, but it seems pathological to me to confuse the occasional error for a fatal flaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Prew</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/ending_the_pretense_of_media_neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-300986</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Prew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In today&#039;s political climate, it strikes me that linking the words media and journalists with words like fair, unbiased, and objective are as close to an oxymoron as one can get.

Olbermann is one of the worst offenders of biased reporting with his phony &quot;unbiased wrapped indignation.&quot;  Witness his latest rant against Hillary.  

&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Olbermann just had to insert himself into the Geraldine Ferraro/Obama dust up which he termed a “disaster&lt;/strong&gt;” for Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and half of western world, (sound of deep sigh here, used to emphasize just how important he thought his points were.) &lt;/a&gt; 

BTW, has anyone noticed that when Hillary used to word &quot;shame&quot; to admonish Obama recently that Chris Matthews said Hillary sounded like a &quot;school marm?&quot;  Tisk,tisk,no,no,no . . . can&#039;t use that old-fashioned word shame to define Obama&#039;s actions.

However, when Olbermann uses &quot;shame&quot; in his &quot;Special Comments&quot; (ad naueum, IMHO)that Matthews finds Olbermann&#039;s usage perfectly acceptable!

Hmmm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today's political climate, it strikes me that linking the words media and journalists with words like fair, unbiased, and objective are as close to an oxymoron as one can get.</p>
<p>Olbermann is one of the worst offenders of biased reporting with his phony "unbiased wrapped indignation."  Witness his latest rant against Hillary.  </p>
<p><strong>Olbermann just had to insert himself into the Geraldine Ferraro/Obama dust up which he termed a “disaster</strong>” for Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and half of western world, (sound of deep sigh here, used to emphasize just how important he thought his points were.)  </p>
<p>BTW, has anyone noticed that when Hillary used to word "shame" to admonish Obama recently that Chris Matthews said Hillary sounded like a "school marm?"  Tisk,tisk,no,no,no . . . can't use that old-fashioned word shame to define Obama's actions.</p>
<p>However, when Olbermann uses "shame" in his "Special Comments" (ad naueum, IMHO)that Matthews finds Olbermann's usage perfectly acceptable!</p>
<p>Hmmm!</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/ending_the_pretense_of_media_neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-300948</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jay Rosen argues, persuasively, that the only way out of the “media bias” trap is for journalists to stop pretending to be neutral and simply endeavor to be fair.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am unconvinced. Rosen&#039;s thinking is a step n the right direction but doesn&#039;t go far enough.
The truth, you see... yeah, the press was supsoed to be helping us determine what the truth is... The truth is seldom &quot;fair&quot; and &lt;em&gt;NEVER&lt;/em&gt; is it &quot;neutral&quot;. Any claims by the press to&lt;em&gt; either, &lt;/em&gt;makes them liars. Either one assumes an uninterested party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jay Rosen argues, persuasively, that the only way out of the “media bias” trap is for journalists to stop pretending to be neutral and simply endeavor to be fair.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am unconvinced. Rosen's thinking is a step n the right direction but doesn't go far enough.<br />
The truth, you see... yeah, the press was supsoed to be helping us determine what the truth is... The truth is seldom "fair" and <em>NEVER</em> is it "neutral". Any claims by the press to<em> either, </em>makes them liars. Either one assumes an uninterested party.</p>
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