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	<title>Comments on: Europe&#8217;s Christian Flags</title>
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		<title>By: Yippee&#38;#45;Ki&#38;#45;Yay!</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/europes_christian_flags/comment-page-1/#comment-44401</link>
		<dc:creator>Yippee&#38;#45;Ki&#38;#45;Yay!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2005 12:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;They&apos;re on a Crusade&lt;/strong&gt;
Left Aims to Smite &apos;Theocracy&apos; Movement Jon Ward, The Washington Times NEW YORK &#45;&#45; Secular humanists and leftist activists convened here over the weekend to strategize how to counter what they contend is a growing political threat fro...</description>
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Left Aims to Smite &apos;Theocracy&apos; Movement Jon Ward, The Washington Times NEW YORK &#45;&#45; Secular humanists and leftist activists convened here over the weekend to strategize how to counter what they contend is a growing political threat fro...</p>
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		<title>By: JackLewis.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackLewis.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In many of these states, âofficialâ religions receive tax breaks and/or subsidies that unrecognized religions do not. That can amount to a benefit of millions of dollars annually.&lt;/i&gt;

Which I believe is what &quot;establishment of religion&quot; really means.

Furthermore, the established churches become dependent on the state subsidy and lose their fervor to spread the Word of God. I think that if American secularists really want to make religion less relevant to the daily lives of the American people, instead of making a federal case out of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, or a Nativity scene in a public park, or the words &quot;under God&quot; in the Pledge of Allegiance, what they should be doing is &lt;b&gt;trying to repeal the Establishment Clause.&lt;/b&gt;

Gotta love the irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In many of these states, âofficialâ religions receive tax breaks and/or subsidies that unrecognized religions do not. That can amount to a benefit of millions of dollars annually.</i></p>
<p>Which I believe is what "establishment of religion" really means.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the established churches become dependent on the state subsidy and lose their fervor to spread the Word of God. I think that if American secularists really want to make religion less relevant to the daily lives of the American people, instead of making a federal case out of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, or a Nativity scene in a public park, or the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, what they should be doing is <b>trying to repeal the Establishment Clause.</b></p>
<p>Gotta love the irony.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may need to define &quot;meaningful sense.&quot;

In many of these states, &quot;official&quot; religions receive tax breaks and/or subsidies that unrecognized religions do not. That can amount to a benefit of millions of dollars annually. Whether you receive it or are refused it, that sort of money rings my &quot;meaningful&quot; bell.

Take a look at the contortions the Scientologists have gone through in Germany seeking to be officially recognized... it was in the courts for years, but last time I look, that group was still out in the cold, and paying taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may need to define "meaningful sense."</p>
<p>In many of these states, "official" religions receive tax breaks and/or subsidies that unrecognized religions do not. That can amount to a benefit of millions of dollars annually. Whether you receive it or are refused it, that sort of money rings my "meaningful" bell.</p>
<p>Take a look at the contortions the Scientologists have gone through in Germany seeking to be officially recognized... it was in the courts for years, but last time I look, that group was still out in the cold, and paying taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, I think there&#039;s a cause &amp; effect relationship here.  These countries don&#039;t have campaigns to get the crosses off their flags, simply because Christianity is such a minority creed as to not feel threatening to any of the activist-types who would be agitating against a cross on the American flag.

It&#039;s *because* America is so religious that people feel threatened by Nativity scenes in the public square, rightly or wrongly.  In a country where no one really gave a damn, &quot;under God&quot; in the Pledge would raise a shrug at best.  

Notice how little kids feel free to joke about &quot;under God&quot; and similar religious themes, because they take their validity for granted--the opposite situtation from that in Europe, but for the same reasons.  It&#039;s our heterogeneous (?) culture re: religion that makes a prayer before a school board meeting turn into a knife fight in the courts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, I think there's a cause &#038; effect relationship here.  These countries don't have campaigns to get the crosses off their flags, simply because Christianity is such a minority creed as to not feel threatening to any of the activist-types who would be agitating against a cross on the American flag.</p>
<p>It's *because* America is so religious that people feel threatened by Nativity scenes in the public square, rightly or wrongly.  In a country where no one really gave a damn, "under God" in the Pledge would raise a shrug at best.  </p>
<p>Notice how little kids feel free to joke about "under God" and similar religious themes, because they take their validity for granted--the opposite situtation from that in Europe, but for the same reasons.  It's our heterogeneous (?) culture re: religion that makes a prayer before a school board meeting turn into a knife fight in the courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kappiy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure about the flag issue, but the place of religion in secular democracies is a perennial theme of domestic politics in Europe and in pan-European issues.

Actually in France last year the right-wing UMP banned students from wearing conspicuous religious paraphenalia in public schools.    It garnered a huge controversey.

There was also significant criticism of the same UMP government&#039;s decision to put the tricolor at half mast after the pope&#039;s death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure about the flag issue, but the place of religion in secular democracies is a perennial theme of domestic politics in Europe and in pan-European issues.</p>
<p>Actually in France last year the right-wing UMP banned students from wearing conspicuous religious paraphenalia in public schools.    It garnered a huge controversey.</p>
<p>There was also significant criticism of the same UMP government's decision to put the tricolor at half mast after the pope's death.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or the controversy over the Los Angeles County seal.</description>
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