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		<title>By: Ted Barlow</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17226</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, what is flaw in Seymour Hershâs theory? That&#039;s the ostensible subject of the piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, what is flaw in Seymour Hershâs theory? That's the ostensible subject of the piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17227</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thus far, the most serious flaw I&#039;ve seen in Hersh&#039;s theories is that Hersh isn&#039;t credible enough to be believed on his own.  

I&#039;ll note, for clarity, that his credibility is damaged in the &quot;folks should confirm this independently&quot; sense, and not in the &quot;ignore anything he says&quot; sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thus far, the most serious flaw I've seen in Hersh's theories is that Hersh isn't credible enough to be believed on his own.  </p>
<p>I'll note, for clarity, that his credibility is damaged in the "folks should confirm this independently" sense, and not in the "ignore anything he says" sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Barlow</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17228</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but that&#039;s your theory, not Hitchens&#039;. Right? Hitchens doesn&#039;t question Hersh&#039;s journalistic integrity as far as I can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's your theory, not Hitchens'. Right? Hitchens doesn't question Hersh's journalistic integrity as far as I can see.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Barlow</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17229</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Hitchens piece depends on misdirection to make that point. The only change in policy that Hitchens mentions are combat policies that prevent soldiers in the field from attacking suspected targets without permission. 

Hitchens pretends that these rule changes are the heart of Hersh&#039;s argument, then says there&#039;s no connection between combat rules and the treatment of prisoners. Here&#039;s Hitchens:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus, from the abysmal failure to erase Mullah Omar comes the howling success in trailer-porn tactics at Abu Ghraib. More than one kind of non sequitur is involved in this âscenario.â&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But the non sequitur exists only in Hitchens&#039; deceptive presentation. Hitchens &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; mentions the changes that were made to loosen the rules about the handling of prisoners. His piece falls apart as soon as readers click on the New Yorker link and read Hersh&#039;s actual report. 

Your argument is defensible. I don&#039;t necessarily agree with it, but it&#039;s an intelligent argument that doesn&#039;t depend on my ignorance of Hersh&#039;s piece to work. Hitchens, on the other hand, creates a deceptive cartoon of Hersh&#039;s piece, and then says that his cartoon doesn&#039;t make sense. Of course it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Hitchens piece depends on misdirection to make that point. The only change in policy that Hitchens mentions are combat policies that prevent soldiers in the field from attacking suspected targets without permission. </p>
<p>Hitchens pretends that these rule changes are the heart of Hersh's argument, then says there's no connection between combat rules and the treatment of prisoners. Here's Hitchens:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thus, from the abysmal failure to erase Mullah Omar comes the howling success in trailer-porn tactics at Abu Ghraib. More than one kind of non sequitur is involved in this âscenario.â</p></blockquote>
<p>But the non sequitur exists only in Hitchens' deceptive presentation. Hitchens <i>never</i> mentions the changes that were made to loosen the rules about the handling of prisoners. His piece falls apart as soon as readers click on the New Yorker link and read Hersh's actual report. </p>
<p>Your argument is defensible. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's an intelligent argument that doesn't depend on my ignorance of Hersh's piece to work. Hitchens, on the other hand, creates a deceptive cartoon of Hersh's piece, and then says that his cartoon doesn't make sense. Of course it doesn't.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Barlow</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17230</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Barlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that the comment that I was responding to is gone. Such is life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the comment that I was responding to is gone. Such is life.</p>
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		<title>By: capt joe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17231</link>
		<dc:creator>capt joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry I wasted 5 mins of my life going to the ted barlow link.

From the article and comments, in short, &quot;Weee hatess Hitchensss foreveeer&quot;.

Except for My Lai, when has Sy Hersh been right.  But, for the &quot;Bush Lied,...&quot; crowd, that makes him infallible.  yawn. next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry I wasted 5 mins of my life going to the ted barlow link.</p>
<p>From the article and comments, in short, "Weee hatess Hitchensss foreveeer".</p>
<p>Except for My Lai, when has Sy Hersh been right.  But, for the "Bush Lied,..." crowd, that makes him infallible.  yawn. next!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A. R. Kleiman</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17232</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark A. R. Kleiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Okay, I&#039;m dull.  Explain it to me slowly.&lt;/strong&gt;
Sorry, Hitch.  Could we have that again, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Okay, I'm dull.  Explain it to me slowly.</strong><br />
Sorry, Hitch.  Could we have that again, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Lead and Gold</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/explaining_hitchens/comment-page-1/#comment-17233</link>
		<dc:creator>Lead and Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Hersh, Hitchens, etc.&lt;/strong&gt;
The latest New Yorker article by Seymour Hersh is both insubstantial and revelatory.  Insubstantial because, as James Joyner points out, the causal connection between Rumsfeld&#039;s aggressive use of special operations and Abu Ghraib is not really made.  F...

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The latest New Yorker article by Seymour Hersh is both insubstantial and revelatory.  Insubstantial because, as James Joyner points out, the causal connection between Rumsfeld's aggressive use of special operations and Abu Ghraib is not really made.  F...</p>
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