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		<title>By: cirby</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/feds_go_to_disney/comment-page-1/#comment-123488</link>
		<dc:creator>cirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 21:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Swan/Dolphin hotels have a beach.  It&#039;s a man-made one on the man-made lake between the buildings (they connect by a causeway).  It&#039;s, well, okay.  I guess.  Not exactly Waikiki.

Describing the Swan and the Dolphin as &quot;posh&quot; is a bit extreme, too.  They&#039;re nice, big corporate hotels (this must be a pretty big conference, if they managed to sell out the 2265 rooms in the two buildings).  The Dolphin has some BIG convention spaces, too - one of the largest ballrooms in Central Florida (and that&#039;s saying something, in a town with this many convention hotels).  Over 300,000 square feet of meeting space between the hotels.

The complex is one of the two or three most popular convention spaces in Central Florida -  the ones that are arguably more popular are bigger AND more expensive - and there are a number of actual &quot;luxury&quot; hotels in the area that could pretty much double the room rates for a meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Swan/Dolphin hotels have a beach.  It's a man-made one on the man-made lake between the buildings (they connect by a causeway).  It's, well, okay.  I guess.  Not exactly Waikiki.</p>
<p>Describing the Swan and the Dolphin as "posh" is a bit extreme, too.  They're nice, big corporate hotels (this must be a pretty big conference, if they managed to sell out the 2265 rooms in the two buildings).  The Dolphin has some BIG convention spaces, too - one of the largest ballrooms in Central Florida (and that's saying something, in a town with this many convention hotels).  Over 300,000 square feet of meeting space between the hotels.</p>
<p>The complex is one of the two or three most popular convention spaces in Central Florida -  the ones that are arguably more popular are bigger AND more expensive - and there are a number of actual "luxury" hotels in the area that could pretty much double the room rates for a meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or they could pay for the trip themselves. That&#039;s how most of us go to Disney.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It turns out this is exactly what they did.  From the event&#039;s website:&lt;blockquote&gt;Reserve your guest room by April 30 (after which time all requests will be on a space available basis only) to receive the discounted group rate of $200 for single occupancy and $210 for double occupancy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Doesn&#039;t exactly sound like an expense-paid trip for those attending.

Maybe Pierce was complaining that federal departments are sponsoring the event.  Given what this event is about, it makes sense for those government agencies to be sponsors.  Sponsorships range from $3,000 to $25,000 depending on the amount of advertising you want.  Neither Pierce&#039;s article, nor the organizer&#039;s website list the level of sponsorship from these agencies.

I don&#039;t exactly see what there is to complain about here, and I&#039;m not usually shy about complaining about this particular administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or they could pay for the trip themselves. That's how most of us go to Disney.</p></blockquote>
<p>It turns out this is exactly what they did.  From the event's website:<br />
<blockquote>Reserve your guest room by April 30 (after which time all requests will be on a space available basis only) to receive the discounted group rate of $200 for single occupancy and $210 for double occupancy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Doesn't exactly sound like an expense-paid trip for those attending.</p>
<p>Maybe Pierce was complaining that federal departments are sponsoring the event.  Given what this event is about, it makes sense for those government agencies to be sponsors.  Sponsorships range from $3,000 to $25,000 depending on the amount of advertising you want.  Neither Pierce's article, nor the organizer's website list the level of sponsorship from these agencies.</p>
<p>I don't exactly see what there is to complain about here, and I'm not usually shy about complaining about this particular administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Hackbarth</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/feds_go_to_disney/comment-page-1/#comment-123430</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Hackbarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only in the public sector is this even a gripe. If these same people were in the private sector their employers would pay for their trip.

When there are plenty of spaces in D.C. to have this conference I understand the complaints. But in the big scheme of the federal budget this isn&#039;t much of a waste. Not when billions fly out from earmarks and unconstitutional government programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only in the public sector is this even a gripe. If these same people were in the private sector their employers would pay for their trip.</p>
<p>When there are plenty of spaces in D.C. to have this conference I understand the complaints. But in the big scheme of the federal budget this isn't much of a waste. Not when billions fly out from earmarks and unconstitutional government programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To give a mild defense of the federal employees if the government paid for their trip they get rip for fleecing the taxpayer. If private firms flip the bill the employees are being corrupted. They can&#039;t win either way except not to have the conference in the first place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Or they could pay for the trip themselves.  That&#039;s how most of us go to Disney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To give a mild defense of the federal employees if the government paid for their trip they get rip for fleecing the taxpayer. If private firms flip the bill the employees are being corrupted. They can't win either way except not to have the conference in the first place.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or they could pay for the trip themselves.  That's how most of us go to Disney.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Hackbarth</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/feds_go_to_disney/comment-page-1/#comment-123353</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Hackbarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;code&gt;&#039;bureaucrats on the beach’ atmosphere&lt;/code&gt;

Michael made the same observation I did. They&#039;re in the middle of Florida, not on some ocean-side property.

To give a mild defense of the federal employees if the government paid for their trip they get rip for fleecing the taxpayer. If private firms flip the bill the employees are being corrupted. They can&#039;t win either way except not to have the conference in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>'bureaucrats on the beach&rsquo; atmosphere</code></p>
<p>Michael made the same observation I did. They're in the middle of Florida, not on some ocean-side property.</p>
<p>To give a mild defense of the federal employees if the government paid for their trip they get rip for fleecing the taxpayer. If private firms flip the bill the employees are being corrupted. They can't win either way except not to have the conference in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Still, there may not be much to this. As Pierce notes, there are eleven private sector sponsors. It may well have been there decision to hold it at the resort and they could well be footing most of the bill.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, instead of politicians wasting our money on Disney trips, they&#039;re getting them paid for by corporate interests.  Brilliant!  We should let corporations sponsor more &quot;research&quot; trips to tropical locations for those making decisions about our collective good.  What could possibly go wrong?

On a side note, if you are going to have a large conference in the Orlando area (it&#039;s technically Kissimmee), these hotels would be an obvious choice.  And being 45 minutes from them, I can tell you that they are no where near any beaches (unless you count the artificial ones at Disney&#039;s water parks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Still, there may not be much to this. As Pierce notes, there are eleven private sector sponsors. It may well have been there decision to hold it at the resort and they could well be footing most of the bill.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, instead of politicians wasting our money on Disney trips, they're getting them paid for by corporate interests.  Brilliant!  We should let corporations sponsor more "research" trips to tropical locations for those making decisions about our collective good.  What could possibly go wrong?</p>
<p>On a side note, if you are going to have a large conference in the Orlando area (it's technically Kissimmee), these hotels would be an obvious choice.  And being 45 minutes from them, I can tell you that they are no where near any beaches (unless you count the artificial ones at Disney's water parks).</p>
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		<title>By: World and Global Politics Blog </title>
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		<dc:creator>World and Global Politics Blog </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; The Web site lists corporate sponsors for the event (including the pharmaceutical firm Eli Lilly) and such speakers as AHRQ’s Philip Cooper and Lyle Nelson of the Congressional Budget Office.    It’s all rather amusing, especially the event logo:  [IMG Health Research Boondoggle Photo]  Still, there may not be much to this. As Pierce notes, there are eleven private sector sponsors. It may well have been there decision to hold it at the resort and they could well be footing most of the bill. And, this month at least, the resort has &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%--> The Web site lists corporate sponsors for the event (including the pharmaceutical firm Eli Lilly) and such speakers as AHRQ&rsquo;s Philip Cooper and Lyle Nelson of the Congressional Budget Office.    It&rsquo;s all rather amusing, especially the event logo:  [IMG Health Research Boondoggle Photo]  Still, there may not be much to this. As Pierce notes, there are eleven private sector sponsors. It may well have been there decision to hold it at the resort and they could well be footing most of the bill. And, this month at least, the resort has <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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