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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/feel_the_looooove_ii/comment-page-1/#comment-31822</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My point is that is without merit (or evidence) to equate hate mail with leftist discourse.&lt;/i&gt;

I hope you remember this the next time Atrios, Willis, or other big Lefty bloggers make such arguments.

For what it is worth, I don&#039;t think these e-mails are indicative of all Liberal discourse.  I&#039;m currently having a pleasant exchange with Nathan Newman on my blog.  No acrimony, no name calling, and no bigotry, and it is on a &quot;hot button issue&quot; Social Security reform.  I also don&#039;t think my post indicated that these e-mails are indicative of Liberal discourse, but that Liberal discourse, like Conservative discourse, at times and from some individuals have an ugly side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My point is that is without merit (or evidence) to equate hate mail with leftist discourse.</i></p>
<p>I hope you remember this the next time Atrios, Willis, or other big Lefty bloggers make such arguments.</p>
<p>For what it is worth, I don't think these e-mails are indicative of all Liberal discourse.  I'm currently having a pleasant exchange with Nathan Newman on my blog.  No acrimony, no name calling, and no bigotry, and it is on a "hot button issue" Social Security reform.  I also don't think my post indicated that these e-mails are indicative of Liberal discourse, but that Liberal discourse, like Conservative discourse, at times and from some individuals have an ugly side.</p>
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		<title>By: Kappiy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/feel_the_looooove_ii/comment-page-1/#comment-31803</link>
		<dc:creator>Kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian-

It&#039;s good to see you invoking Engles against the denizens of diversity--a very Leftist move, I must say.

I would strongly disagree that there is any &quot;intellectual content&quot; in the emails to Malkin.

My point is that is without merit (or evidence) to equate hate mail with leftist discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian-</p>
<p>It's good to see you invoking Engles against the denizens of diversity--a very Leftist move, I must say.</p>
<p>I would strongly disagree that there is any "intellectual content" in the emails to Malkin.</p>
<p>My point is that is without merit (or evidence) to equate hate mail with leftist discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kappiy,

First, I don&#039;t think I said this was representative.  In fact, I believe at the end of my post I want it to be a fring group that is pretty much ignored.

Second, I doubt seriously this is grand conservative conspiracy to make liberals look bad.

&lt;i&gt;Obviously, the statements related in Malkinâs post are abhorrent and idiotic, but there is nothing to suggest that they are indicative of the discourse coming from the so-called âLeft.â &lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think it is indicative of the discourse from the Left, just as hateful/bigotted statements aren&#039;t indicative of the discourse from the Left.  I do think this is something the Left needs to not run away from (as the Right should not run away from its questionable discourse).  I&#039;m glad we agree it is abhorrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kappiy,</p>
<p>First, I don't think I said this was representative.  In fact, I believe at the end of my post I want it to be a fring group that is pretty much ignored.</p>
<p>Second, I doubt seriously this is grand conservative conspiracy to make liberals look bad.</p>
<p><i>Obviously, the statements related in Malkinâs post are abhorrent and idiotic, but there is nothing to suggest that they are indicative of the discourse coming from the so-called âLeft.â </i></p>
<p>I don't think it is indicative of the discourse from the Left, just as hateful/bigotted statements aren't indicative of the discourse from the Left.  I do think this is something the Left needs to not run away from (as the Right should not run away from its questionable discourse).  I'm glad we agree it is abhorrent.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;kappiy&lt;/b&gt; - The notion of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consciousness&quot;&gt;false consciousness&lt;/a&gt; is at the heart of &quot;the discourse coming from the so-called &#039;Left&#039;&quot;, especially on race and gender matters. To the extent these e-mails have any intellectual content, that&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>kappiy</b> - The notion of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consciousness">false consciousness</a> is at the heart of "the discourse coming from the so-called 'Left'", especially on race and gender matters. To the extent these e-mails have any intellectual content, that's it.</p>
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		<title>By: kappiy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure why you equate some anonymous hate emails to being representative of &#039;the &quot;loving&quot;, &quot;caring&quot;, &quot;open-minded&quot; liberals.&quot;&#039;?

How do you know they are not coming from &quot;caring&quot;, &quot;open minded&quot; conservatives?  Or &quot;caring&quot;, &quot;open minded&quot; greens?  Or &quot;caring&quot;, &quot;open minded&quot; libertarians?  Or &quot;caring&quot;, &quot;open minded&quot; Klansmen?

Obviously, the statements related in Malkin&#039;s post are abhorrent and idiotic, but there is nothing to suggest that they are indicative of the discourse coming from the so-called &quot;Left.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure why you equate some anonymous hate emails to being representative of 'the "loving", "caring", "open-minded" liberals."'?</p>
<p>How do you know they are not coming from "caring", "open minded" conservatives?  Or "caring", "open minded" greens?  Or "caring", "open minded" libertarians?  Or "caring", "open minded" Klansmen?</p>
<p>Obviously, the statements related in Malkin's post are abhorrent and idiotic, but there is nothing to suggest that they are indicative of the discourse coming from the so-called "Left."</p>
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		<title>By: Alex D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it makes you feel any better, I&#039;m a liberal who really does accept different races, cultures, and beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it makes you feel any better, I'm a liberal who really does accept different races, cultures, and beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lunacy,

I can think of at least one insult that they could direct towards a male asian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunacy,</p>
<p>I can think of at least one insult that they could direct towards a male asian.</p>
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		<title>By: lunacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one would ever call Maxine Waters a whore. You have to be attractive to be called a whore.

I&#039;m kind of kidding but not really. Michelle&#039;s race is only part of the issue in these emails. Obviously, her gender is too.

Were she a man they&#039;d have cut the current insults in half. Or find a substitute for whore and I can&#039;t think of anything quite equivalently repulsive for the male gender. And if she were an ugly female she&#039;d be a c**t. Also not quite as repulsive as being a d*ck or a**hole.

Lunacy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one would ever call Maxine Waters a whore. You have to be attractive to be called a whore.</p>
<p>I'm kind of kidding but not really. Michelle's race is only part of the issue in these emails. Obviously, her gender is too.</p>
<p>Were she a man they'd have cut the current insults in half. Or find a substitute for whore and I can't think of anything quite equivalently repulsive for the male gender. And if she were an ugly female she'd be a c**t. Also not quite as repulsive as being a d*ck or a**hole.</p>
<p>Lunacy</p>
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