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		<title>By: Geri Timmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geri Timmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the majority of the comments posted above it is quite obvious that racist attitudes in America is alive and well. Please someone point me to the money line for all the free hands out given to Native Americans. That is truly a misguided notion and is in fact a lie, if it were true then I would be demanding the back pay owed my son. The attitude of most Native Americans is not the landing of white men on these shores but the horrendous slaying of their people in order to gain all the land. If anyone was/is the true savage, look no further than our very ancestors who raped and robbed the Natives of everything they had. As for the casino&#039;s oh please get over it. They will continue to grow and there is nothing you will do to stop this. Fair play to em! Right on to the true creator of the &quot;Homeland Security&quot; t-shirt Colleen Lloyd and Johnny Depp for giving her sales a HUGE boost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the majority of the comments posted above it is quite obvious that racist attitudes in America is alive and well. Please someone point me to the money line for all the free hands out given to Native Americans. That is truly a misguided notion and is in fact a lie, if it were true then I would be demanding the back pay owed my son. The attitude of most Native Americans is not the landing of white men on these shores but the horrendous slaying of their people in order to gain all the land. If anyone was/is the true savage, look no further than our very ancestors who raped and robbed the Natives of everything they had. As for the casino's oh please get over it. They will continue to grow and there is nothing you will do to stop this. Fair play to em! Right on to the true creator of the "Homeland Security" t-shirt Colleen Lloyd and Johnny Depp for giving her sales a HUGE boost.</p>
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		<title>By: slickdpdx</title>
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		<dc:creator>slickdpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: arky</title>
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		<dc:creator>arky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw that same theme on a T-shirt in a store window here in San Antonio today.  We were escorting my son on his town pass prior to graduating AF Basic Training.
 Funny how Indians only join the military to get a decent wage, when the reservations were set aside to allow them to live their traditional lifestyles.  Who needs $100k a year to live in a traditional adobe and cook wild game over a wood fire?
Damn those Europeans for modernizing the new world!  
Now the tribes that conquered the lands from the previous tribes need to buy batteries for their gameboys from their conquerors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw that same theme on a T-shirt in a store window here in San Antonio today.  We were escorting my son on his town pass prior to graduating AF Basic Training.<br />
 Funny how Indians only join the military to get a decent wage, when the reservations were set aside to allow them to live their traditional lifestyles.  Who needs $100k a year to live in a traditional adobe and cook wild game over a wood fire?<br />
Damn those Europeans for modernizing the new world!<br />
Now the tribes that conquered the lands from the previous tribes need to buy batteries for their gameboys from their conquerors.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;While the specifics of the pox infected blanket story might not be true, ... &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sure glad this was Rick DeMent instead of, say, Mary Mapes.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While the specifics of the pox infected blanket story might not be true, ... </p></blockquote>
<p>I'm sure glad this was Rick DeMent instead of, say, Mary Mapes.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>most american indians were assimilated through marriage. so now the liberals can contend that marriage is a form of genocide as well as bondage and rape[lol]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most american indians were assimilated through marriage. so now the liberals can contend that marriage is a form of genocide as well as bondage and rape[lol]</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the terroist / savage behavior of the indians that gave the native Americans no choice but to go to war with the unrepentant savages.

Yes the indians are not &quot;native Americans&quot;.  You could call them native savage landers or native anti-Americans, but you cannot call them native Americans.  It was white anglo saxon protestant Europeans who were the native Americans.  They created the America we have today.  The indians did everything in their power to ensure there would be no America at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the terroist / savage behavior of the indians that gave the native Americans no choice but to go to war with the unrepentant savages.</p>
<p>Yes the indians are not "native Americans".  You could call them native savage landers or native anti-Americans, but you cannot call them native Americans.  It was white anglo saxon protestant Europeans who were the native Americans.  They created the America we have today.  The indians did everything in their power to ensure there would be no America at all!</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

You can also make a case that European domination of the world is owed to the plague. By shaking up the society order, making labor scarce and thus allowing for more value for labor, taking out a third of the people enabling the land to not marginally but richly support the survivors and finally giving incentive to innovation to replace the labor, Europe went from being behind the Islamic world (which would raid Europe for slaves) to being in charge of the world.

So yes, there is a great case to be made that the colonization of America would not have proceeded as it did without the devastation of the small pox. But I think Africa or Asia is likely to give a better example of what the result would be rather than to say that Europeans would have never penetrated into America.

As an aside, if you look at the projected death rates in Africa due to Aids, then look at the resources available in Africa, you can start to speculate on a similar European Renaissance in Africa, except that the dominant western culture is likely to butt up against it immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>You can also make a case that European domination of the world is owed to the plague. By shaking up the society order, making labor scarce and thus allowing for more value for labor, taking out a third of the people enabling the land to not marginally but richly support the survivors and finally giving incentive to innovation to replace the labor, Europe went from being behind the Islamic world (which would raid Europe for slaves) to being in charge of the world.</p>
<p>So yes, there is a great case to be made that the colonization of America would not have proceeded as it did without the devastation of the small pox. But I think Africa or Asia is likely to give a better example of what the result would be rather than to say that Europeans would have never penetrated into America.</p>
<p>As an aside, if you look at the projected death rates in Africa due to Aids, then look at the resources available in Africa, you can start to speculate on a similar European Renaissance in Africa, except that the dominant western culture is likely to butt up against it immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: erg</title>
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		<dc:creator>erg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James -- nice link, but thats not what the discussion says. All they say is that evidence that smallpox was actually used is not solid -- there is definitely evidence that it was seriously considered and indirect evidence that it may have been used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James -- nice link, but thats not what the discussion says. All they say is that evidence that smallpox was actually used is not solid -- there is definitely evidence that it was seriously considered and indirect evidence that it may have been used.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

While the specifics of the pox infected blanket story might not be true, the facts are that without the introduction of disease that was introduced to the indigenous population by European settlers the complexion of the north American Continent would not have been as white as it became.

White euro&#039;s owe a debt to the small pox virus for making manifest destiny possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>While the specifics of the pox infected blanket story might not be true, the facts are that without the introduction of disease that was introduced to the indigenous population by European settlers the complexion of the north American Continent would not have been as white as it became.</p>
<p>White euro's owe a debt to the small pox virus for making manifest destiny possible.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I can sympathize with the whole &quot;divided loyalty&quot; idea. There is more than one Southerner who can take pride in Lee&#039;s military genius, condemn slavery, support states rights and still feel that the government whose army conducted the march across Georgia to the sea is worth serving in today.

Or to take a different tack, I have no doubt that somewhere in my family tree were some Danes who decided to go a viking. The most likely took prisoners (aka slaves), burned, pillaged, etc. Now can you admire &#039;viking&#039; military successes while still not suggesting the viking way of life should be how we live today? Absolutely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I can sympathize with the whole "divided loyalty" idea. There is more than one Southerner who can take pride in Lee's military genius, condemn slavery, support states rights and still feel that the government whose army conducted the march across Georgia to the sea is worth serving in today.</p>
<p>Or to take a different tack, I have no doubt that somewhere in my family tree were some Danes who decided to go a viking. The most likely took prisoners (aka slaves), burned, pillaged, etc. Now can you admire 'viking' military successes while still not suggesting the viking way of life should be how we live today? Absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish people like Catherine Corman would get over it.  

No one forces the Indians to live in squalor on reservations.  They are not prisoners for God sakes!  In fact they are a lesson in liberal politics of what happens when you GIVE people money for doing nothing.  Do you know how much money we GIVE to each and every Indian every month?  Sick!

Indians have always been small groups of nomadic peoples from the beginning.  Were they supposed to have exclusive rights to the lands of America forever?  Plus, Indians in the late 16th century and early 17th were savages-sorry, true.  They slaughtered wholesale whenever they had the chance.  That would be akin to me and a thousand of my camping buddies living alone in Washington state and killing anyone that came within its boundaries.  Ridiculous!

Hey Indians: get over it!  Here in SW Washington state we are fighting them coming in (uninvited)with one of the largest proposed casinos in the country.  Talk about your revenge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish people like Catherine Corman would get over it.  </p>
<p>No one forces the Indians to live in squalor on reservations.  They are not prisoners for God sakes!  In fact they are a lesson in liberal politics of what happens when you GIVE people money for doing nothing.  Do you know how much money we GIVE to each and every Indian every month?  Sick!</p>
<p>Indians have always been small groups of nomadic peoples from the beginning.  Were they supposed to have exclusive rights to the lands of America forever?  Plus, Indians in the late 16th century and early 17th were savages-sorry, true.  They slaughtered wholesale whenever they had the chance.  That would be akin to me and a thousand of my camping buddies living alone in Washington state and killing anyone that came within its boundaries.  Ridiculous!</p>
<p>Hey Indians: get over it!  Here in SW Washington state we are fighting them coming in (uninvited)with one of the largest proposed casinos in the country.  Talk about your revenge...</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt:  While legendary, the story is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.h-net.msu.edu/~west/threads/disc-smallpox.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;almost certainly not true&lt;/a&gt;.  In any case, Lord Jeffrey Amherst was commanding general of &lt;strong&gt;British forces&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt:  While legendary, the story is <a href="http://www.h-net.msu.edu/~west/threads/disc-smallpox.html" rel="nofollow">almost certainly not true</a>.  In any case, Lord Jeffrey Amherst was commanding general of <strong>British forces</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The us armys penchant for prioviding smallpox infested blankets to natives is the first use of biological weapons in the US...nice work, makes me want to puke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The us armys penchant for prioviding smallpox infested blankets to natives is the first use of biological weapons in the US...nice work, makes me want to puke</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem for all participants and observers on this particular topic seems to be trying to interpret the events of 500 years ago through the dung-colored glasses of today&#039;s post-modern morality.  

It isn&#039;t necessary to condemn those in the past for not living up to what Sir Thomas More might then have considered utopian ideals any more than it is to condemn those today who cannot live up to the utopian ideals of the Angry Left.  Of course, bad things happened, even by the yardsticks used then.  But at some point you have to, dare I say it, Move On and adjust to your new environment or live with the consequences.  By all means, teach and remember, but let&#039;s not rewrite history or obsessively dwell on ancient wrongs from the past.  We rightly ridicule the Islamist rantings about the loss of Andalusia in 1492.  Why should this be different?

Not that it matters, but I&#039;m part Cherokee as well.  So does that give me absolute moral authority to speak on this topic?  Oh, and oskee-wow-wow for any other Illinois fans out there.  Go Chief!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem for all participants and observers on this particular topic seems to be trying to interpret the events of 500 years ago through the dung-colored glasses of today's post-modern morality.  </p>
<p>It isn't necessary to condemn those in the past for not living up to what Sir Thomas More might then have considered utopian ideals any more than it is to condemn those today who cannot live up to the utopian ideals of the Angry Left.  Of course, bad things happened, even by the yardsticks used then.  But at some point you have to, dare I say it, Move On and adjust to your new environment or live with the consequences.  By all means, teach and remember, but let's not rewrite history or obsessively dwell on ancient wrongs from the past.  We rightly ridicule the Islamist rantings about the loss of Andalusia in 1492.  Why should this be different?</p>
<p>Not that it matters, but I'm part Cherokee as well.  So does that give me absolute moral authority to speak on this topic?  Oh, and oskee-wow-wow for any other Illinois fans out there.  Go Chief!</p>
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		<title>By: Sinoed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinoed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; I am teaching some glimpses of American history in my listening class, and in the search found this. [IMG ] I guess it is a nice edge to the historical understanding. Not that all of my students will care anyway. But to say the least, pretty witty.&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%--> I am teaching some glimpses of American history in my listening class, and in the search found this. [IMG ] I guess it is a nice edge to the historical understanding. Not that all of my students will care anyway. But to say the least, pretty witty.<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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