OK in the first place reading and writing and math in their various forms are more of a truth then what most people use them for, lol theory that sometimes actually we get proof for i.e. dookypoop and how many votes do you to steal and buy to achieve communism.

I swear sometimes you just type random words to make your posts longer.

And I thought we were going to let the experts do this in front of everyone arrrrr.............

But G.A.Phillips, the experts already have.

Thus the Republican base, and love of Sarah.

The results of a scientific test are what they are, regardless of what you want them to be, and regardless of what you believe them to be.

OK in the first place reading and writing and math in their various forms are more of a truth then what most people use them for, lol theory that sometimes actually we get proof for i.e. dookypoop and how many votes do you to steal and buy to achieve communism.

And in the second second place if you apply the truth of this to some the tests I'm sure your talking about you might see that I am right about what I said about what you said.

My friend, please look at theory and philosophy and see them for what they are for change.

And I thought we were going to let the experts do this in front of everyone arrrrr.............

but I won't look back here please have the last word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSJ8rDlBZ_I

that don't make no sense.

Let me try and explain it better then, on the off chance that you'd not being pedantic.

If a tree falls in the woods, and nobody is around to hear it, it still makes a sound. If there is somebody there but they are deaf, it still makes a sound. If there is someone there who doesn't want to believe that the tree fell but rather the tree was always laying on the ground exactly where God created it, it still makes a sound.

The results of a scientific test are what they are, regardless of what you want them to be, and regardless of what you believe them to be.

like math and how to read and right not stupid theory and murderous political philosophies spawned by stupid theory.

How to read and write are not facts that you are taught, they are actions you are taught to perform. Math, on the other hand, has a substantial amount of theory, theories are behind almost every complex mathematical concept that gets taught in school.

I guess by some measures you are here in the middle with me then ;-)

ya lol, still not a good place to stand.

That is an extreme position, but also one which is extremely arrogant. It gets back the the One True Faith issues that we in the West were supposed to have left behind.

and with respect I'm not sure were you got this idea from or what you mean buy it, but I got to get to bed, got to get up early and make some money for the liberals.

That's the wonderful thing about science, it doesn't need agreement to come to a conclusion. When the tests are conducted, people won't be asked whether they agree that the results matched the prediction, they either do or they don't, regardless of the observer.

Good golly I almost missed this,wow.

I'm not talking about arguments, I'm talking about tests. Arguments depend on the observer, tests do not.

that don't make no sense.

Faith is a personal matter, and you should have your choice on where and how to worship, if at all. Science is not a personal matter. Parents can teach their kids whatever they like at home, but in school they should be taught reality, not preference.

like math and how to read and right not stupid theory and murderous political philosophies spawned by stupid theory.

But the thing is, the universe doesn't give a damn what they decide. G.A.Phillips can deny gravity until he's blue in the face, but he isn't going to start floating. Stop patronizing people by telling them they can pick their favorite reality.

lol, gravity was discovered by a >>>>>>> and man what do you call a universe worshiper I forget.

lol, when did I say that, but if it turns into a barracuda and not A VARIATION OF CICHLID let me know.

Cichlid is a family, not a species. So again, if you accept odograph's evidence, then you accept speciation within a family at least, one cichlid evolving into a new species of cichlid. Is that accurate?

So you'd have no issue believing that one species of fish can evolve into another species of fish, but you do have an issue believing that one species of mammal can evolve into another species of mammal, even in the same family?

lol, when did I say that, but if it turns into a barracuda and not A VARIATION OF CICHLID let me know.

programing is a very different thing then evolving, and hey I thought we we gonna get the experts to do this.

Those small African fish split into new species very rapidly, sometimes in just a few thousand years, and provide data on evolution which is almost real-time.

I'm not at all surprised. We see this kind of example all the time. We perform this exact feat as a test of Evolution in high school biology classes.

lol, let me know when it turns into a monkey and not just another fish.

So you'd have no issue believing that one species of fish can evolve into another species of fish, but you do have an issue believing that one species of mammal can evolve into another species of mammal, even in the same family?

I think the thing you miss Michael is that the world is capable of being described many ways ... ways that are all self-consistent and consistent with available data

But they all describe the same thing. You can describe a car motor in terms of mechanics or fluids, but you're still describing the same events, making the same predictions, using the same tests, etc. Evolution and Creationism/ID describe different things, make different predictions, and contain different (or no) tests.

It has always been true, and for a couple thousand years, that some can say "it's what you see, that's it." It's also been true, and for a couple thousand years, that some can say "you just need Faith."

Yes, but from a truly practical perspective, an explanation for an event that cannot also make predictions about future events is useless. Your car doesn't run on faith, it runs on physics.

Those small African fish split into new species very rapidly, sometimes in just a few thousand years, and provide data on evolution which is almost real-time.

lol, let me know when it turns into a monkey and not just another fish. Oh and I for one am against experimentation on oscars, one of my favorite pet fishes.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%

Of course, your calling it a "battlefield" does not attract me to your position, nor does it encourage me to accept Republican representation.

lol, you do what you feel is right, it was just a truthful joke, and thats my scores, I would have liked better questions and or a different answer though.

African cichlid fish: a model system in adaptive radiation research

Those small African fish split into new species very rapidly, sometimes in just a few thousand years, and provide data on evolution which is almost real-time.

As nature or God intends ....