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	<title>Comments on: Florida Primary Fight:  Parties vs. Political Reality</title>
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		<title>By: Edna</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/florida_primary_fight_parties_vs_political_reality/comment-page-1/#comment-149671</link>
		<dc:creator>Edna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting the article here:  &quot;Crist, though, repeated his contention that the number of delegates Florida will have or not have is &#039;not relevant&#039; to the discussion because the nomination likely will be decided months earlier.&quot;  WHAT?  Crist totally misses the point!  While it is true that the nominations of both parties will most likely be decided before the conventions, it is nonetheless POSSIBLE that it could come down to the convention.  In which case, having delegates represent the will of the voters in Florida would be crucial!  And in any event, the principle of the thing is, there are over four million innocent, long-suffering registered Democrats in the state of Florida who had nothing to do with the fact that the Republican-controlled legislature moved the primary date up.  Why should we be punished by the Draconian move of the DNC disenfranchising us from the democratic process by making our votes not count?!  Been there, done that in 2000.  Only at least then, it was Katherine Harris and other FOB&#039;s (friends of Bush) doing it to us.  This time it is our own party.  I, for one, am in a state of shock and awe.  And then for Crist to merrily chime in that delegates being taken away is &quot;irrelevant&quot;...am I in a dream?  Is this real?  I feel like I&#039;m in the opening dream sequence of Fahrenheit 9.11 all over again.  HELP!  Scotty, beam me up!  There is no intelligent life down here!  ...Meanwhile, to my fellow Democrats:  don&#039;t let any of this asaninity discourage you from going to the primary on 1/29/07 and VOTING!  Your vote will count to defeat the Republican property tax amendment, for one thing.  But for another thing:  let&#039;s send a message to the DNC and the world:  we WILL make our voices heard and we will NOT allow anyone--even and especially our own party--to disenfranchise us from having our votes count ever again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting the article here:  "Crist, though, repeated his contention that the number of delegates Florida will have or not have is 'not relevant' to the discussion because the nomination likely will be decided months earlier."  WHAT?  Crist totally misses the point!  While it is true that the nominations of both parties will most likely be decided before the conventions, it is nonetheless POSSIBLE that it could come down to the convention.  In which case, having delegates represent the will of the voters in Florida would be crucial!  And in any event, the principle of the thing is, there are over four million innocent, long-suffering registered Democrats in the state of Florida who had nothing to do with the fact that the Republican-controlled legislature moved the primary date up.  Why should we be punished by the Draconian move of the DNC disenfranchising us from the democratic process by making our votes not count?!  Been there, done that in 2000.  Only at least then, it was Katherine Harris and other FOB's (friends of Bush) doing it to us.  This time it is our own party.  I, for one, am in a state of shock and awe.  And then for Crist to merrily chime in that delegates being taken away is "irrelevant"...am I in a dream?  Is this real?  I feel like I'm in the opening dream sequence of Fahrenheit 9.11 all over again.  HELP!  Scotty, beam me up!  There is no intelligent life down here!  ...Meanwhile, to my fellow Democrats:  don't let any of this asaninity discourage you from going to the primary on 1/29/07 and VOTING!  Your vote will count to defeat the Republican property tax amendment, for one thing.  But for another thing:  let's send a message to the DNC and the world:  we WILL make our voices heard and we will NOT allow anyone--even and especially our own party--to disenfranchise us from having our votes count ever again!</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/florida_primary_fight_parties_vs_political_reality/comment-page-1/#comment-149039</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When Florida held it&#039;s presidential primary in 2004, the only Democratic candidates who hadn&#039;t dropped out of the race already were Kerry and Edwards. Why bother choosing delegates when the person they will be voting for has already been determined by people outside the state? At least next year we will have our choice of candidates to vote for.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The problem is EVERY state except Idaho and NH can make this same argument and can use it to justify leapfrogging your position.  I live in Oregon, it&#039;s not like out primaries do much of anything.

We should have a national primary.  Barring that we should set up some system of rotating which state goes when.  This idiotic dash to be first has to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When Florida held it's presidential primary in 2004, the only Democratic candidates who hadn't dropped out of the race already were Kerry and Edwards. Why bother choosing delegates when the person they will be voting for has already been determined by people outside the state? At least next year we will have our choice of candidates to vote for.</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem is EVERY state except Idaho and NH can make this same argument and can use it to justify leapfrogging your position.  I live in Oregon, it's not like out primaries do much of anything.</p>
<p>We should have a national primary.  Barring that we should set up some system of rotating which state goes when.  This idiotic dash to be first has to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/florida_primary_fight_parties_vs_political_reality/comment-page-1/#comment-149005</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Florida held it&#039;s presidential primary in 2004, the only Democratic candidates who hadn&#039;t dropped out of the race already were Kerry and Edwards.  Why bother choosing delegates when the person they will be voting for has already been determined by people outside the state?  At least next year we will have our choice of candidates to vote for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Florida held it's presidential primary in 2004, the only Democratic candidates who hadn't dropped out of the race already were Kerry and Edwards.  Why bother choosing delegates when the person they will be voting for has already been determined by people outside the state?  At least next year we will have our choice of candidates to vote for.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/florida_primary_fight_parties_vs_political_reality/comment-page-1/#comment-148891</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why has florida turned into such a bunch  of wankers?  Seriously, ever since the 2000 election they seem determined not to relinquish the &quot;retard clown state&quot; sash back to Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why has florida turned into such a bunch  of wankers?  Seriously, ever since the 2000 election they seem determined not to relinquish the "retard clown state" sash back to Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked, shocked I tell you, that politicians like Hillary and Obama would say (and sign) one thing to get votes in one state and then do the opposite to get votes in another state. Why it&#039;s almost like you can&#039;t trust them to keep their promises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that politicians like Hillary and Obama would say (and sign) one thing to get votes in one state and then do the opposite to get votes in another state. Why it's almost like you can't trust them to keep their promises.</p>
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